Is Scots a Leid or Dialect?

Clark   Wednesday, June 11, 2003, 06:34 GMT
Many fok dinna ken gif Scots is a leid or a dialect o Inglis. A'll tell ye; 'tis a dialect o Middle Inglis. All that happened is that Scots an Ignlis drifted thar seperate ways, but thay dinna stray too far aff frae each other through the ages.

Also, gif ye want tae spaek in any Scots dialect here aboot anything, gae ahead. 'Tis part o the Antimoon rules, ye ken. We kan spaek in Inglis only, an this is the Inglis leid. Sae gae ahead an spaek in the lovely Scots leid!
Jim   Wednesday, June 11, 2003, 07:34 GMT
Well you've certainly got a point. Scots is a kind of English so writing in Scots in writing in English. I'd like to be replying to you in Scots but I don't know Scots. I suppose that I dinna ken gif Scots is a leid or a dialect o Inglis. That's because I dinna ken what a leid is. Could you enlighten us?
Clark   Wednesday, June 11, 2003, 08:39 GMT
A "leid" is what ye foks call a "language." Whar wir your forfather's frae, Jim? Before thay went tae Australia? What parts o Britain? Dae ye ken?

A offen thowt it'd be interesting gif thar wir Americans that used Scots words wi an American accent. That is what A'm daeing richt noo. But, the leid A'm using is nae ane form o Scots; A'm using several forms o what we would call Scots. "Ken" is used on the east coast o Scotlan an in the north, but nae in the sooth. An in some parts o Scotlan, thay write standard Inglis word "the" as "tha."
Clark   Wednesday, June 11, 2003, 08:53 GMT
An thar are many mikkel differences; mair than jest "the/tha." Ane can write "they/thay;" "them/thaim;" "A/I" an so on.

mikkel = much/great (frae the Auld Inglis "michel")
leid = language
ken = know
fok = people
gif = if (frae the Auld Inglish "gif" an "gin" [pro. wi a "y" though])
Kabam   Wednesday, June 11, 2003, 09:51 GMT
Seems tae be an interesting leid.
Adam   Wednesday, June 11, 2003, 15:18 GMT
I don't think that Scots is a dialect of English. I reckon it's a totally separate language. They sound similar but are not the same language. Just like Portugese/Spanish.
Kabam   Wednesday, June 11, 2003, 15:40 GMT
I don't know enough about it to tell. But whether it's a language or a dialect, Scots looks interesting to learn.
Corey Graham   Wednesday, June 11, 2003, 16:21 GMT
Its funny how Scots looks from region to region. In Canada, notedly Nova Scotia (latin for " New Scotland"). The written langauge is just plain ol' English. I'm Scot and I have never seen the writing Clark uses. It must only be in the U.K.?
john-boy   Wednesday, June 11, 2003, 17:40 GMT
hi
Tabisora   Wednesday, June 11, 2003, 19:30 GMT
Isn't Scots actually the Gàidhlig language?
Clark   Thursday, June 12, 2003, 00:14 GMT
Nae, Gaidhlig is TOTALLY different! "Tha Gaidhlig agam" means "A spaek Gaelic" (actually, it literally means, "am/is/are Gaelic at me"). Like the Scandinavian leids (minus Faeroese and Icelandic), Gaelic has only ane conjugation o verbs in the present participle or gerund.

Corey Graham, gif ye read the first post, ye will see that Scots is a different entitiy than Inglis. Scots an Inglis started to part ways in the 12th an 13th centuries wi the coming o the Normans tae Scotlan. Since then, Inglis an Scots hae been different an the same in some respects. Nae ane is very certain tae call it a dialect o Inglis or a seperate leid.

Adam, would ye say then, that Danis, Swedis and Norwegian are all the same leids? Let me tell ye lad, thay'r the same leid seperated by different governments. Just like Spanis an Portuguese; thay are really close tae each other, but thay hae different governments making thaim seperate leids. So, what is the case for Scots?

A think that Scots is just a different dialect o Inglis; same leid though.
Clark   Thursday, June 12, 2003, 07:30 GMT
I AM SUPERMAN!!!!
Clark   Thursday, June 12, 2003, 07:47 GMT
A'm nae Superman! A can tell ye that much.
Adam   Thursday, June 12, 2003, 13:42 GMT
Adam, would ye say then, that Danis, Swedis and Norwegian are all the same leids? Let me tell ye lad, thay'r the same leid seperated by different governments. Just like Spanis an Portuguese; thay are really close tae each other, but thay hae different governments making thaim seperate leids. So, what is the case for Scots?

A think that Scots is just a different dialect o Inglis; same leid though.
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No. Swedish and Danish are different languages, but they are so closely related that they look the same. It is the same with English and Scots.

Scots and English can't have a government separate them. Scotland and England are both run by the UK government.
Adam   Thursday, June 12, 2003, 13:44 GMT
gaelic and Scots are also 2 different languages. They speak three languages in Scotland- Scots Gaelic, Scots, and English.

Gaelic is a Celtic language. English and Scots are Germanic languages.
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