Hello everyone!
I have pondered about 2 things. The first one is about the expression "my self" becouse in Swedish we say "mig själv" so I thnik the expressions are related to each other , and if someone know something about it then it´s only to write it on this page.
The second one was abuot the word thing. I think that word is a Germanic word, becouse thing must be related to the German word "ding" and the Scandinavian word "ting". I can not Dutch but I think it´s quite the same. Is´nt that true, that in some words you can substitute (sometimes) a d to a t and then you have the same word in another related language?
«It's highly unlikely Dutch celts ( which DIDN'T EXCIST , you mean germanics) helped build Hadrians wall . »
Apparently thousands of shoes were found by the Hadrian wall and the archeologists are sure they belonged to the Bataven.
The Bataven were 'gastarbeiders' ( guestworkers) in those days.
How come the archeologists are that sure, I don't know but I think a specific Dutch smell may have lingered on.
«Jo,(idiot) Lopik lies arounnd Utrecht.Why are you brabbeling about drente and gelderland?! Sander»
Around Utrecht you mean "er rond om heen?"
Dear Sander, what is in the history books is not that the Bataven crossed the Rhine : they arrived by floating down the Rhine and entered by Lopik.
To go anywhere north of the 'big rivers', say you wanted to visit your mother-in-law at the Canninefaten , who lived in the Dunes on Hollands westcoast , you could just put on your walking shoes and walk there from somewhere in Saksen all the way without crossing the river Rhine.
Of course your feet might have gotten a bit smelly after such a long stroll
but thanks to that thousands of years later the specific dutch cheesy smell was recognized again at the Adrian wall.
Maybe the smell of moldy cheese ...
«It's highly unlikely Dutch celts ( which DIDN'T EXCIST , you mean germanics) helped build Hadrians wall . »
Apparently thousands of shoes were found by the Hadrian wall and the archeologists are sure they belonged to the Bataven.
The Bataven were 'gastarbeiders' ( guestworkers) in those days.
How come the archeologists are that sure, I don't know but I think a specific Dutch smell may have lingered on.
"JO",
=>Dear Sander, what is in the history books is not that the Bataven crossed the Rhine : they arrived by floating down the Rhine and entered by Lopik.<=
How can you float down the rhine to the center of the Netherlands and only then enter the Netherlands?????Also that they "entered" by lopik?It could have been everywhere,its just that they found a archeological site there.
>Shoes ? isn't that a word derived from french?
You can tell that "shoe" is a Germanic word because it has an archaic Germanic plural form "shoon".
Yes but you could also say its based on chaussures...maybe its become a hybrid ?!
I think thats it,English has a lot of that kind of words...
Yes that is definitely Old Dutch, if there is such a thing, not Old English. I was under the impression that Middle Dutch emerged from Old Low German. Was Old Dutch the same as Old Low German?
DJW,
No,Old Dutch is the "ancestor" of Old English.
=> Was Old Dutch the same as Old Low German? <=
If you consider low-saxon to be old dutch..then yeah.
About the shoe thing,
In Dutch we say "schoen",now this might look the same but the pronouncation is totally different.First the "Sch" (germans are know to can't make this sound) sound comes from the troath (Unique sound).
And then at the end we very clearly pronounce the "N".
Sander, you appear to be extemporising on the subject.
extemporising? Like in improvizing?
Are you claiming that I make things up ?
As far as I know....
Old English and Frisian belongs to the inguavonian dialects.
Old Dutch comes from "Nederfrankisch" (Low Frankish)
and Twents (a dialect in the eastcorner of the Netherlands)
comes from "Nedersaksisch" (Low Saxon)
Nedersaksisch and Nederfrankisch are subgroups of "Nederduits"
(old low german) . The Inguavonian group can also be shared
under old low German, but it's also considered as a seperate
group.
The dialects in the north of germany "plat duuts" are merely
low saxon and eastern Low German.
Modern dutch is highly influenced by a low frankish dialect
which was spoken in holland, the west of the Netherlands.
Greetings, arthur
Old english and old dutch were most certainly mutually intelligible !