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andre in south africa   Wednesday, May 04, 2005, 09:09 GMT
Cool! Google in West Flemish!
Snipsa   Wednesday, May 04, 2005, 09:10 GMT
Okay for now I'll forfeit, but only out of 'onkunde'. I'll look into the subject a bit more before debating it further
Snipsa   Wednesday, May 04, 2005, 09:11 GMT
Andre your back! Yippee, thought I was going to have to debate with him all on my own
andre in south africa   Wednesday, May 04, 2005, 09:14 GMT
Well to give Sander credit, according to this website West Flemish is a dialect :) But still, it looks like a language to me

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/W/We/West_Flemish.htm
Snipsa   Wednesday, May 04, 2005, 09:15 GMT
Yeh I guess we have to believe that. But it looks like a language to me as well. A language that I don't know anything about, but a language none the less
andre in south africa   Wednesday, May 04, 2005, 09:15 GMT
When I look as West Flemish, it seems to me to be further away from Dutch than Afrikaans was when it officially became a language
Snipsa   Wednesday, May 04, 2005, 09:19 GMT
That's my view as well. I think the major problem is that the people who speak WF is so integrated with those who speak Dutch that it's easiest to call it a dialect, while we Afrikaans speaking people are at the other side of the 'aardbol'. Much easier to call it a language then.
andre in south africa   Wednesday, May 04, 2005, 09:24 GMT
BTW even after Afrikaans was officially recognized as a language in 1875, Dutch was still widely used by Afrikaans speakers. For example, newspapers were still published in Dutch, and when the first ones started to use the occasional Afrikaans article, they risked using readers. It was only in well into the 20th century when newspapers first became fully Afrikaans. Only when Afrikaans became an official language according to the constitution, did it really start to replace Dutch. Or in reality, when it had the support of the vast majority of Afrikaans speakers. I think the question of West Flemish being a dialect or language is more complex than just whether in is a language linguistically, the issue is broader than that.
andre in south africa   Wednesday, May 04, 2005, 09:26 GMT
>they risked using readers<

They risked LOSING readers, not using them... :)
Sander   Wednesday, May 04, 2005, 09:30 GMT
Like Ive said before...its a dialect.But why is that SO bad ?
Snipsa   Wednesday, May 04, 2005, 09:32 GMT
I believe that if West Flemish start to be used by more people in those districts like Belgium etc it could very well be declared as a language at a later stage. Like you said, it took quite a lot of time for Afrikaans to become a language in its own right.
But hey they already have Google in WF like Sander so nicely pointed out to us, so I guess there are a lot of people on the Internet that is WF. Just wish that they'd come on to this site to help with this discussion.
Sander   Wednesday, May 04, 2005, 09:36 GMT
The thing is Afrikaans differs in syntax and grammer from dutch,WF doesn't.
Snipsa   Wednesday, May 04, 2005, 09:39 GMT
Okay, I guess it isn't that bad to call it a Dialect. I don't think that the people who speak the Dialect mind that much. Maybe it's just us weird people here. Btw Sander where did you learn so much about Afrikaans, I'm very impressed
Sander   Wednesday, May 04, 2005, 09:40 GMT
Andre is a great teacher.
Snipsa   Wednesday, May 04, 2005, 09:42 GMT
Good job Andre! And from what I've heard you had also converted Sander from an Afrikaans and Afrikaner hater, into someone who is tollerant with us. That's an improvement at least.
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