Pledge of Allegiance

xxx   Sunday, June 12, 2005, 09:00 GMT
Since tomorrow is flag day in the US, what do you think about the pledge of allegiance still being recited daily in American elementary schools?
Travis   Sunday, June 12, 2005, 09:02 GMT
I'm strongly against such myself, and specifically remember in high school making a point of not standing for it, *ever*, which I still don't do at public events and such where it or the national anthem are recited.
zarafa   Sunday, June 12, 2005, 09:07 GMT
Travis, where have you heard it said other than in schools?
Sander   Sunday, June 12, 2005, 09:08 GMT
Wait a minute! You actually have a day for your flag?!
greg   Sunday, June 12, 2005, 09:08 GMT
What's flag day ?
Travis   Sunday, June 12, 2005, 09:08 GMT
zarafa, well, I wasn't referring to just the Pledge of Allegiance; I was also referring to things like the National Anthem at sporting events and like as well.
Sander   Sunday, June 12, 2005, 09:12 GMT
Flag Day:

Flag Day, is a day for all Americans to celebrate and show respect for our flag, it's designers and makers. Our flag is representative of our independence and our unity as a nation.....one nation, under God, indivisible. Our flag has a proud and glorious history. It was at the lead of every battle fought by Americans. Many people have died protecting it. It even stands proudly on the surface of the moon.

As Americans, we have every right to be proud of our culture, our nation, and our flag. So raise the flag today and every day with pride!


(Throwing up right now)
zarafa   Sunday, June 12, 2005, 09:14 GMT
Sander, where'd you come across the patriotic stuff? Or did you make it up?
Travis   Sunday, June 12, 2005, 09:17 GMT
Sander, one must remember though that many here have a rather cynical (or apathetic) view of such nationalistic shit, which unfortunately is also rather prevalent in many other contexts here as well.
Sander   Sunday, June 12, 2005, 09:27 GMT
Zarafa,

No,I could never make that up,I googled and found http://www.google.nl/url?sa=U&start=1&q=http://www.holidayinsights.com/other/flagday.htm&e=9711

Its all in there...

If there's one thing that I hate its this kind of nationalistic nonsens (not just from the USA)
greg   Sunday, June 12, 2005, 09:29 GMT
"one nation, under God"
Unthinkable in France.

To some extent the USA looks very 19th century. I'm thinking about pompous nationalist rhetoric or antiquated traditions : swear on the bible, <in god we trust>, flags in every garden, <god bless America> etc. All this is not exactly the postmodernist side of the USA...
Damian from Edinburgh   Sunday, June 12, 2005, 09:30 GMT
I the UK a "flag day" means a day set aside for collections for charities.....such as cancer care, multiple sclerosis or any officially approved cause. It means people standing in the streets or shopping centres with collecting tins and wearing the appropriate gear..banners or sashes or tabards bearing the name of the relative charity organisation

The flag bit I guess refers to the little adhesive labels given to donors to place on their lapels ...or anywhere they fancy...their forehead if they feel wacky enough.
greg   Sunday, June 12, 2005, 09:30 GMT
Oh I forgot the best one : the hand on the heart when they play the national anthem...
Sander   Sunday, June 12, 2005, 09:31 GMT
In the Netherlands its Illegal to hang out the flag on a normal day...
Sander   Sunday, June 12, 2005, 09:39 GMT
But in America you nearly drown in them...
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