Reviving thread - diper vs. die-uh-per
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I'm reviving this thread:
<<Lazar Monday, June 06, 2005, 03:47 GMT <<Does your system make a distinction between /Q/ and /A/? If so, how? That distinction exists in my dialect: father - /fAD@`/ bother - /bQD@`/ con - /kQn/ Kahn - /kAn/>> Don, finally a distinction that we share! I pronounce those words exactly the same as you do. It's a distinctive feature of northeastern New England.>> Lazar, What distinctions do you and Don not share? Lazar Wednesday, June 08, 2005, 23:43 GMT <<What distinctions do you and Don not share?>> On other threads we had talked about the /e/-/{i/ and /w/-/W/ distinctions, both of which he has, and I lack. Lazar Wednesday, June 08, 2005, 23:45 GMT That should be /e/-/{I/, not /e/-/{i/, above. Bill Thursday, June 09, 2005, 15:09 GMT ''That should be /e/-/{I/, not /e/-/{i/, above.'' Can you give me an example of a minimal pair between /e/ and /{I/? Is ''raze'' vs. ''raise'' one? Lazar Thursday, June 09, 2005, 22:26 GMT <<Is ''raze'' vs. ''raise'' one?>> Yes. The minimal pair that Don initially mentioned was "pane"-"pain". Mike Friday, June 10, 2005, 12:19 GMT Lazar, Does your name rhyme with ''blazar'' (an extreme quasar) or is it pronounced some other way? Don Friday, June 10, 2005, 21:55 GMT Yes, Bill. ''raze'' and ''raise'' are distinguished in my accent as /rez/ and /r{Iz/. Don Friday, June 10, 2005, 21:58 GMT ''ray'' /r{I/ and ''re'' (the musical note) /re/ is another minimal pair for /{I/ and /e/ in my accent. I pronounce ''blazar'' as /blezAr/. I don't know how ''Lazar'' is pronounced. I'm guessing /lezAr/, but I'm not sure. Don Friday, June 10, 2005, 22:03 GMT (the musical note) that I typed up there was a mistake. It should be: ''ray'' /r{I/ ''re'' /re/ (The second tone of the diatonic scale in solfeggio) Kirk Friday, June 10, 2005, 23:32 GMT I always thought of "Lazar" as being pronounced /l@"zAr/ but I guess we'll just have to wait and see what Lazar says. Don Saturday, June 11, 2005, 00:02 GMT Maybe you're right Kirk. I think /l@zAr/ sounds better than /lezAr/. greg Saturday, June 11, 2005, 07:48 GMT Heum... [lezAr] is quite close to [lezaR], that is Fr <lézard> = En <lizard> [lIz@d]... Lazar : your name in French would just be [lazaR]. Don : "<raze> and <raise> are distinguished in my accent as /rez/ and /r{Iz/". Are you from the US ? Don Saturday, June 11, 2005, 15:45 GMT <<Are you from the US ?>> No. I'm from South Wales |
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Lazar Saturday, June 11, 2005, 18:44 GMT
There's a competition to determine how my name is pronounced! It's /lezAr/, rhyming with "quasar". Lazar Saturday, June 11, 2005, 21:38 GMT Bump. I want y'all to know how to pronounce my name! Kirk Saturday, June 11, 2005, 21:41 GMT <<It's /lezAr/, rhyming with "quasar".>> Well, now I know how to "pronounce" it in my head when I see your posts. Thanks :) Sander Saturday, June 11, 2005, 21:49 GMT I pronounce(d) it like "Laazer" Don Sunday, June 12, 2005, 02:58 GMT ''I want y'all to know how to pronounce my name!'' What's y'all? Is that a slang or something? It looks like one to me. Lazar Sunday, June 12, 2005, 05:14 GMT "Y'all" is a word used in the Southern United States, as the plural form of "you". It's a contraction of "you all". I come from New England, so it's not at all native to my idiolect. I just like to use it occasionally for humorous effect. Travis Sunday, June 12, 2005, 07:45 GMT Here in the Upper Midwest, though, we tend to strongly prefer "you guys" over "y'all", which, as said, is primarily used in the south. I will though actually unintentionally say it occasionally, though, due to simply saying "you all" in a very unstressed fashion, when speaking very quickly and very informally, as /ju Ol/ --> [ju O:5] --> [j@ O:5] --> [jO:5], but I practically never write it, and deliberately try to avoid saying it. mjd Sunday, June 12, 2005, 07:49 GMT Here in the Northeast we usually use "you guys" when speaking informally. The Southern "y'all" sounds out of place and would lead others to believe you're from the South if you were to use it. Kirk Sunday, June 12, 2005, 08:16 GMT We always use "you guys," too. <<What's y'all? Is that a slang or something? It looks like one to me. >> I have a side question--can "slang" be a noun for you? I've noticed several times on this forum where people have said stuff like "that's a slang," but I always assumed it was just a slight nonnative grammatical error; however you're a native speaker so I'm curious if "slang" can be a noun for you. In my usage: "that's a slang word" ---but not--- *that's a slang ----instead:--- "that's slang" |