California vuelve a ser mexicana, gracias al vodka
PARISIEN : « La différence est que ces espaces ne sont plus vides. A long terme les Latinos aux USA sont voués à l'assimilation. »
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« La empresa sueca Vin&Sprit (V&S), fabricante del vodka Absolut, [...] » qui vient de se faire acheter par Pernod-Ricard pour la modique somme de 5,6 Mrd €.
The US didn't rob Northern Mexico. It was legally given them in the Treaty of Velasco in 1836. The people of Absolut and those arguing the SW US belongs to Mexico show an ignorance of international law and history. Furthermore, today the people living in AZ, NM, TX, CA and however many other states Mexico claims "belong" to them, are without a doubt much more a part of the US than a part of Mexico, and ceding those states to Mexico would create undue "internal" conflict, not to mention international conflict, as NATO and the UN would surely side with the US.
"The US didn't rob Northern Mexico. It was legally given them in the Treaty of Velasco in 1836."
The treaty of Velasco was signed by Texas and Mexico , not US and Mexico. And it didn't recognize the independence of the Republic of Texas by Mexico, it was simply a fait-accompli for that time being.
Mexico didn't formally recognize that Texas was not part of the Mexican territory until the treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo. This treaty meant that Mexico recognized (it was the only option left) the US annexation of these territories. Curiously the annexation was illegal according to the laws of the independent Texan Republic since only the simple majority of the Congress accepted the annexation and two thirds were required.
"The people of Absolut and those arguing the SW US belongs to Mexico show an ignorance of international law and history."
On the contrary, it's those who protest who are ignorants because they don't know that south western US was part of Mexico. That map is an historical one . Nobody said that it reflects current or future US and Mexican boundaries .
<<as NATO and the UN would surely side with the US. >>
I doubt it -- most of the world views the US as a rogue or terrorist state, and would would like to see the US destroyed or eliminated.
The map may be historical, but the manner in which they're using it is inappropriate. They're attempting to raise anti-US sentiments to sell their product.
NATO and the UN would side with the US against Mexico were Mexico to attempt a seizure of Mexican territory. Both institutions are, in effect, US-created and, de facto, US led (though NATO much more so than the UN). Both institutions are set on maintaining the international status quo, not overthrowing the current international regime. Going against the US is one thing, but going against the US when its own territory is concerned is not in the interest of any state.
Skippy wrote:
">The US didn't rob Northern Mexico. It was legally given them in the Treaty of Velasco in 1836. The people of Absolut and those arguing the SW US belongs to Mexico show an ignorance of international law and history. Furthermore, today the people living in AZ, NM, TX, CA and however many other states Mexico claims "belong" to them, are without a doubt much more a part of the US than a part of Mexico, and ceding those states to Mexico would create undue "internal" conflict, not to mention international conflict, as NATO and the UN would surely side with the US.<"
Yes, it did; via Manifest Destiny. As guest stated it was a pact between Mexico and the republic of Texas. The people of Absolut used the historical map as a marketing tool towards Mexicans, however, their intention was not to provoke recognition in the States. The states you have claimed "feeling" more aligned with U.S culture and what have you is due to the fact that Mexico did not disperse its people further north as much as the Americans did ad infinitum; as I had stated before the Americans had an intention of colonizing new lands, conquering those less capabable of governing and installing protestant culture, hence Manifest Destiny.
As for NATO and the UN siding with the U.S - Hah. Those international agencies are manipulated by the U.S.A., also were founded by the U.S.A.
">The map may be historical, but the manner in which they're using it is inappropriate. They're attempting to raise anti-US sentiments to sell their product.
How? If it was publicated in Mexico not the U.S. Anti-US sentiments in Mexico have always existed way before this Ad - I'm apaud you're barely noticing this.
">Both institutions are set on maintaining the international status quo, not overthrowing the current international regime. Going against the US is one thing, but going against the US when its own territory is concerned is not in the interest of any state.<"
It's an advertisement Ad - get over it. Both institutions only maintain international status quos to what suits the U.S.
As guest stated it was a pact between Mexico and the republic of Texas.
To be precise, the Treaty of Velasco was signed by Santa Anna on his own and the Repubic of Texas. The Mexican Congress never aproved it and Texas became a de-facto independent country.
<< How? If it was publicated in Mexico not the U.S. Anti-US sentiments in Mexico have always existed way before this Ad - I'm apaud you're barely noticing this. >>
I'm sure skippy did notice this. What he meant was that they attempted to exploit existing anti-US sentiments. In this case those related the borders of Mexico. I believe the ad is controversial at a minimum. The company should have known that it would raise complaints. Maybe they knew that and wanted publicity.
It's like if it were released in Germany and showed the map with the Third Reich territory.
<< I guess that they still feel that Texas and California are their homes since they belonged to Mexico not a long time ago. That is the reason why they migrate to there. It's like those US citicens who migrate from one part of US to another. >>
Te equivocas mi amigo. The Mexicans migrate for economic opportunity, that is well known and you should know that. It's not because they feel some "sentiment" that SW are their homes that they risk coming illegally. Think about it. They come for the money and a hope at a better life, something many in Mexico are lacking unfortunately.
Plus, many immigrants move to other parts of the US to live and work, so they obviously aren't coming because they "feel that Texas and Cali are their homes."
Plus, many immigrants move to other parts of the US to live and work, so they obviously aren't coming because they "feel that Texas and Cali are their homes."
If you look at a map showing the concentration of hispanics in US, they tend to live in the SW and Florida, they don't migrate to Vermont for example , at least not many of them.
It's like if it were released in Germany and showed the map with the Third Reich territory.
In fact this company did a similar thing. In another ad they put a svastica on the map of France and Germany.
<<In fact this company did a similar thing. In another ad they put a svastica on the map of France and Germany. >>
Maybe the ad campaing in the US will show the northern border at 54-40, rather than at the 49th parallel (at least west of the divide). :)
Thanks mac, you nailed it. Because of the (in my opinion) exaggerated illegal immigrant "problem" in the United States, there has been a lot of backlash by groups such as MEChA and la Raza claiming Mexico has a right to the SW US. Absolut must not have considered how controversial this add would be in the United States.