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<<They pronounciation>>
That was a typo
''They pronounce''
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<<You're not talking about the card-cord merger, are you? There's no card-cord merger in New York and New Jersey. They pronounciation ''horrible'' as ''hahrrible'', but ''card'' and ''cord'' are still distinct.>>
No, I'm not talking about "card-cord." The "hahrrible" phenomenon applies to "or" followed by an unstressed vowel, so "card" and "cord" don't fit into what I was talking about. Words that may be affected by what I was talking about include "forest" "horrible" "orange" "Florida" etc.
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Quote-''The "hahrrible" phenomenon applies to "or" followed by an unstressed vowel, so "card" and "cord" don't fit into what I was talking about. Words that may be affected by what I was talking about include "forest" "horrible" "orange" "Florida" etc.''
Then ''Orlando'' wouldn't fit in either, because the ''or'' is followed by a consonant. I don't think that the pronunciation of ''Orlando'' as ''Arlando'' relates to the ''hahrrible'' phenomenon at all. I've never heard ''Arlando'' for ''Orlando''.
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It may have just been her, SpaceFlight. But she was pretty consistent -- she also referred to her state as "Flahrida".
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<<Then ''Orlando'' wouldn't fit in either, because the ''or'' is followed by a consonant.>>
Yup, so I don't know where that came from. What I was responding to was an earlier comment by Uriel saying that we "preserve our a's and o's" or something. I just wanted to point out that some American dialects do have /Ar/ for "or" in certain positions.
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<<It may have just been her, SpaceFlight. But she was pretty consistent -- she also referred to her state as "Flahrida".>>
Uriel,
What about ''far'' and ''for'', ''card'' and ''cord'' etc. Did she pronounce those the same way?
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Uh, you know, at the time I wasn't conducting a linguistics survey, but I don't THINK she did. That would have stood out in my mind. She probably did say things like "hahrrible", though.
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<<Yup, so I don't know where that came from. What I was responding to was an earlier comment by Uriel saying that we "preserve our a's and o's" or something. I just wanted to point out that some American dialects do have /Ar/ for "or" in certain positions.>>
Yeah. Well, here in Florida ''horrible'', ''Florida'', ''coral'', ''moral'', ''forest'' etc. have /Or/.
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<<She probably did say things like "hahrrible", though.>>
I don't know where she picked those pronunciations up, then. Here in Florida, such words as ''horrible'', ''Florida'', ''coral'', ''moral'', ''forest'' etc. are predominantly pronounced with /Or/.
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<<Here in Florida, such words as ''horrible'', ''Florida'', ''coral'', ''moral'', ''forest'' etc. are predominantly pronounced with /Or/.>>
Except for the NY transplants who move there to retire ;)
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In the Sopranos and the Nanny, I've heard [ahr] for OR ''horrible'', ''Florida'', ''coral'', ''moral'', ''forest'' .
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<<Here in Florida, such words as ''horrible'', ''Florida'', ''coral'', ''moral'', ''forest'' etc. are predominantly pronounced with /Or/.>>
<<Except for the NY transplants who move there to retire ;)>>
I was talking about the native Floridians. I'm a native Floridian. For native Floridians such words as ''horrible'', ''Florida'', ''coral'', ''moral'', ''forest'' etc. are predominantly pronounced with /Or/. Yes, there are some retired New Yorkers here that will say things like ''that's hahrrible''.
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I pronounce the words "horrible", "Florida", "coral", "moral", and "forest" with [Qr]. This is similar, but not identical, to the New York "harrible", "Flahrida", etc., pronunciation, because I make the father-bother distinction.
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<<I pronounce the words "horrible", "Florida", "coral", "moral", and "forest" with [Qr]. This is similar, but not identical, to the New York "harrible", "Flahrida", etc., pronunciation, because I make the father-bother distinction.>>
And someone unaccustomed to your accent also might interpret as "hahrrible" even tho you have [Q] and not [A] there. Lazar, I know you don't have a microphone, but I'd really like to hear a sample of your speech someday! I've just never met an American with your speech patterns.
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I'm from New York and pronounce ''horrible'', ''Florida'', ''coral'', ''moral'' and ''forest'' as /hArIb@l/, /flArId@/, /kAr@l/, /mAr@l/ and /fArIst/. I guess I must sound funny to the people from the West Coast.
What about the vowels in ''trap'' and ''bath''? I pronounce them /tr{p/ and /be@T/. ''bath'' has a tense vowel for me.
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