The Union for the Mediterranean: UPM . What language(s)?

greg   Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:48 pm GMT
K.T. : « I've never been to Israel, but I understand that some information that was spread in France about a Palestinian boy who was reportedly shot by Israelis was completely false and was made-up just to rouse sympathy. »

Le gouvernement israélien, amplement aidé par les sbires qu'il salarie en France, a pour habitude de cracher sur notre pays dès que cela lui est possible/souhaitable, c'est-à-dire à peu près en permanence jusqu'au 17 mai 2007, date sinistre de l'histoire française contemporaine.

En 2003 & 2004 — relayant ainsi le gouvernement états-unien dirigé par un "président" non-élu —, Israël a mené une campagne massive de désinformation, antifrançaise et francophobe. Le but était d'accréditer l'idée que la France était devenue "antisémite" et que les "juifs" (c'est-à-dire les Citoyens français de culture et/ou confession juives) étaient en grand danger. Charon a encouragé l'émigration de Citoyens français vers Israël et la Palestine occupée. Objectif : doper une démographie israélienne (de confession et/ou culture juives) en perte de vitesse face la vigoureuse croissance de la population palestinienne. Inutile de préciser que la majorité de ceux qui sont tombés dans ce piège sont revenus en France après 12 ou 24 mois de galère...

La diffamation hargneuse et haineuse que subit Charles Enderlin pour avoir fait son boulot est du même type que le procès en sorcellerie instruit il y a 1 ou 2 ans contre Daniel Mermet, journaliste à France Inter (émission « Là-bas si j'y suis »).




K.T. : « I wonder why Jordan does not take in more Palestinians. I understand that their queen (a lovely lady) is Palestinian. »

Est-ce que tu réalises l'injustice de tes propos ? Te poses-tu la question de savoir pourquoi le Canada ou la Russie ne "reprendraient" pas les descendants des Apaches, Sioux et autres Nez-Percés qui ont survécu aux massacres et à la spoliation perpétrés par les États-Unis ?




K.T. : « This is not an easy subject, but I have not forgotten how Palestinian children cheered when the United States was attacked on Sept. 11, 2001.
Perhaps this was faked too, but the vague image has remained with me. »

Je ne pense pas que ces images étaient de l'intox. Ces images nous paraissent incompréhensibles, mais il faut se mettre à la place des Palestiniens : les États-Unis sont les alliés indéfectibles de ceux qui leur ont volé leurs vies et leur pays.




K.T. : « I don't think this is one-side. I don't think Israelis are always right, I just don't have any unbiased information and I don't trust it from the Palestinian side (s). They don't even agree with each other. »

La division est toujours présente dans un pays occupé. En France, entre 1940 & 1944, la France Libre de Charles de Gaulle et du CNR était en guerre contre Vichy, Pétain & les collabos.
JLK   Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:03 pm GMT
I love how greg represents the USA and Israel as some sort of evil alliance. It couldn't be further from the truth, but that's beside the point. France is one of the nations which has contributed most to Israel's military. France helped Israel build it's nuclear reactor! So greg, if you persist on portraying us Americans and the Israelis as evil terroists, you must include your beloved France in that picture. You as well are ever so guilty...
Guest   Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:56 am GMT
"I love how greg represents the USA and Israel as some sort of evil alliance. It couldn't be further from the truth, but that's beside the point."

The Israeli thing is a terrorist state, this can't be denied.
How many countries has invaded Iran?
How many countries have been bombed or attacked by the Zionist military regime?
Which country routinely kills children and unarmed civilians?
The comparison tells volumes.

"France is one of the nations which has contributed most to Israel's military. France helped Israel build it's nuclear reactor! So greg, if you persist on portraying us Americans and the Israelis as evil terroists, you must include your beloved France in that picture. You as well are ever so guilty..."

That's right. Unfortunately very right.
The U.S. of A. surrendered in 1967 to an Israeli terrorist attack (the botched attempt to exterminate the crew aboard the USS Liberty) and have been paying since then a yearly ransom by billion bucks.
But even though the Israeli agent Jonathan Pollard is still held in custody in the USA.

Meanwhile the French Jonathan Pollard has been elected for president. :(

"« I wonder why Jordan does not take in more Palestinians."

I wonder why Blighty doesnt take more Americans in order to give U.S. all the lower 48 to the Indians tribes that were there 2,000 years back.
JLK   Wed Jul 16, 2008 2:29 am GMT
You reek of anti-Israel propaganda, my friend. You need to research the wars that Israel has been involved in the last 50 years. Israel initiated none of them. They were attacked and though greatly outnumbered, they prevailed.
greg   Wed Jul 16, 2008 6:04 am GMT
JLK : « France is one of the nations which has contributed most to Israel's military. France helped Israel build it's nuclear reactor! ».

Tu as tout à fait raison : c'est la IVe République molletiste qui a aidé les socialistes israéliens à acquérir la technologie atomique. Le comportement d'Israël vis-à-vis de l'AIEA (Agence internationale de l'énergie atomique) dans les années 50 & 60 est exactement celui qu'affiche l'Iran aujourd'hui. Avec quand même une grosse différence : l'Iran du XXIe siècle acquiert la technologie nucléaire pour rééquilibrer les forces en présence alors qu'Israël a créé un déséquilibre dès le XXe s.

C'est de Gaulle qui a mis fin à l'aide française en raison, notamment, du refus d'Israël de collaborer avec l'AIEA. Tu noteras que la dissimulation israélienne n'a pas provoqué d'invasion états-unienne d'Israël, ni de bombardement de Tel-Aviv... Il est donc savoureux d'observer le comportement d'Israël au sujet de l'Iran du XXIe siècle.




JLK : « You need to research the wars that Israel has been involved in the last 50 years. Israel initiated none of them. »

Non, Israël les a ***TOUTES*** provoquées : immigration illégale en Palestine, terrorisme aveugle contre des civils innocents ininterrompu depuis 70 ans, vol et occupation de territoires palestiniens, libanais & syriens, épuration ethnique suivie de déportations massives, collaboration avec l'Afrique-du-Sud raciste sous régime de l'apartheid, violation de toutes les résolutions de l'ONU, Sabra & Chatila, soutien discret mais actif au massacre de l'Iraq depuis 2003, massacre du Liban en 2006, pollution de la Méditerranée etc. La liste est longue.
Olmert   Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:27 am GMT
Israel es un gran país que lucha contra el terrorismo islamista, ¡viva aquel estado fundado por hermanos judíos que se vistieron de azul y alzaron sus ojos a los cielos azules para buscar una nueva etapa de desarrollo y felicidad entre los hermanos no solo judíos sino musulmanes también!
Guest   Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:33 am GMT
<< But it is becoming increasingly difficult for France. Look Morocco. 20 years ago, all foreign companies in this country were French, now countries like Spain and USA dominate strategical parts of the economy of Morocco. Spain is the second largest investor in Morocco after France and USA already has a free trade agreement and is flooding the country with their businesses ... English and Spanish are growing much in morocco, day after day, Spanish and English languages grow in this country and nothing can stop it..... >>

Nothing to worry my dear hispanic fanatic child because more and more French, French Canadian, Belgian, and Swiss companies are investing in hispanic america which means that French language is unstoppable in those countries.

Anf there are quite a few Spanish companies in Morocco in contrast to what you posted because nobofy would patronize the very low quality of the profucts and services from spanish companies there.

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Guest   Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:57 am GMT
<< C'mon hurry up China! Where are you? We need you! >>

Why don't you ask China to take over your ailing country. After all you're a rabid sinophile.
Guest   Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:07 am GMT
Beá d' Činèz dèn d' Amêk'n, Id' réuh afta put up wi dèm dèn d' Yángs.
Yo   Wed Jul 16, 2008 3:21 pm GMT
***Lo siento pero vuestro pequeño Napoleón (Sarkozy)****

greg: Ce garçon il est en train d'utilser un traducteur ou il est d'origine espagnol. C'est sûr qu'il n'est pas un latino-americain on utilise jamais le mot "vosotros".

Este sujeto esta usando un traductor o el es de origen español. Es seguro que el no es latinoamericano, nosotros nunca utilizamos la palabra "vosotros"
Argento de Corazón   Wed Jul 16, 2008 3:27 pm GMT
Nothing to worry my dear hispanic fanatic child because more and more French, French Canadian, Belgian, and Swiss companies are investing in hispanic america which means that French language is unstoppable in those countries.

French from Canada has a really ugly accent and nobody in Latin America will prefer to learn it instead of French from France (not even in Mexico despite geographical proximity). European French is more easy to understand and clear to pronounce wherereas Quebecois French is pain in the ass.

P.D. I lived in French Canada I know what I'm talking about.
Guest   Wed Jul 16, 2008 3:40 pm GMT
<<Beá d' Činèz dèn d' Amêk'n, Id' réuh afta put up wi dèm dèn d' Yángs.>>

With the Yanks, you know what you'e getting (McDonalds everwhere, Hollywood movies, etc.). Chinese domination is an unknown quantity. Remember that the Chinese need "living room", while the US doesn't.

Sometimes the devil you know is better than the one you don't know.
PARISIEN   Wed Jul 16, 2008 5:29 pm GMT
<< With the Yanks, you know what you'e getting (McDonalds everwhere, Hollywood movies, etc.). Chinese domination is an unknown quantity. Remember that the Chinese need "living room", while the US doesn't. >>

-- This is right.
But the Lebensraum the Chinese are aiming at is not here, it is Siberia. There you have a couple of million Russians (with a horrendously collapsing demography) facing a formidable pressure from over one billion Chinese.
Right now Chinese companies are helping themselves in Siberia without being allowed to, they are ruining the local forestry ressources to cover their own needs in paper pulp and timber, there aren't enough Russians in the area to look after the border. I wouldn't be suprised if within a few years (or weeks) they were going to directly tap from the Siberian soil the oil they desperately need.

I'm not criticizing the Chinese, they are one of the greatest cultures on earth and their manifest destiny is to became some Japan * factor 6, i.e. the leading power on this planet. They deserve it, they are taking advantage of a demographic pressure differential, this is fully understandable.

On the other hand my humble opinion is that the American administration consists of suicidal criminals. Whilst they are blackmailing Europe to grant admission to ever more hostile Islamic power like Turkey, Bosnia and Kossovo (a Maffia rogue State which is going to be the headquarter of U.S. military occupation in Europe), they are taking advantage of Polish mental challenge to plant a missile defence system whose only functional scope is to stirr mistrust and hostility towards Russia.

Russia is not a perfect democracy (the U.S. of A. aren't either BTW) but is part of our civilization, is not a threat anymore and is EU's best possible partner, with all natural resources we need, including oil and natural gas.

Since the U.S. political elites want Western Europe to be invaded by Muslims and to depend on U.S. controlled Middle-Eastern dictatorships (Turkey, Israel, the oil producers Saudi Arabia, Irak, and possibly Iran in some not so remote future), I cannot but conclude that the USA are no longer part of the West.

The Wanks are the enemy.
greg   Wed Jul 16, 2008 8:25 pm GMT
'Guest' : « Sometimes the devil you know is better than the one you don't know. »

Rassure-toi : les Européens et les Chinois sont de vieilles connaissances → les Chinois ne sont pas des petits bonshommes verts tout droit débarqués de la planète Mars. Il n'y a qu'aux États-Unis qu'on peut croire ça...




PARISIEN : « I'm not criticizing the Chinese, they are one of the greatest cultures on earth and their manifest destiny is to became some Japan * factor 6, i.e. the leading power on this planet. »

Ça c'est l'hypothèse optimiste. C'est-à-dire sans révolution prolétarienne et/ou paysanne, sans sécession, sans récession, sans bain de sang etc. On verra à l'usage... Faut déjà qu'ils réussissent leurs JO ; c'est pas gagné.




PARISIEN : « They deserve it, they are taking advantage of a demographic pressure differential, this is fully understandable. »

Justement, au niveau démographique la Chine sera confrontée d'ici 15-30 ans à un ***GIGANTESQUE*** problème de pyramide des âges. Un peu comme l'Europe aujourd'hui (hormis la France & l'Irlande), avec quelques décennies de retard, mais sans recours possible à une compensation par l'immigration.




PARISIEN : « On the other hand my humble opinion is that the American administration consists of suicidal criminals. »

Oui et c'est assez triste comme destin pour les États-Unis. Mais c'est somme toute assez commun : toutes les puissances déclinantes sont passées par un stade comparable.
Guest   Wed Jul 16, 2008 8:35 pm GMT
<<Russia is not a perfect democracy (the U.S. of A. aren't either BTW) but is part of our civilization, is not a threat anymore and is EU's best possible partner, with all natural resources we need, including oil and natural gas.>>

Is Russia getting ready to join the EU?

Of course, if China is already grabbing up Russia's oil and gas, Russia wno't be able to supply Europe.