Is French on the decline

eastlander   Tue Dec 09, 2008 6:44 pm GMT
Number of Letzebuergesch and German speakers is rising in official French speaking Arlon area in Belgium,because knowledge of those languages is obligatory for most good job positions in neighbour state of Luxemburg.
Jesus wasn't a virgin   Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:16 pm GMT
Even by the most optimistic numbers for French (175 m.), Spanish needs only Spain (45 m.), Mexico (108 m.) and Venezuela (26 m.) [= 178 m. total] to surpass French. The other 18 countries are just succulent bonuses.
Jesus   Wed Dec 10, 2008 4:51 am GMT
" In Brussels, capital of the European Union, the languages are:

1. French (official)
2. English
3. Dutch (official)
4. Spanish "

Spanish is absolutely nothing in Brussels.
German, Polish, Italian, Arabic and Turkish are a lot more present there.
I even think that there are more Portuguese than Spanish immigrants in town.
Maine   Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:08 pm GMT
Is Spanish on the decline?

YES.

With hardly 20 million of secondary and foreign speakers, Spanish is after English, French, Russian, German, Italian, Portuguese, Arabic, Chinese and Japanese. It will fragment into numerous languages in the near future .
Status as an international language

It WAS spoken in 21 countries. Now in 18 countries, but they differ from the standard Castilian and one another. So, the status of this language is obviously worse. There is lots of evidence that Spanish will NEVER be an international language.

Comparison with other world languages

English, French, Russian, German, Italian, Portuguese, Arabic, Chinese and Japanese have more foreign speakers than Spanish. These languages are DOMINANT in a big area as native languages. REAL Spanish is only dominant in Castilia.


Why care about the La Hispanidad?

It’ surprising the importance of this organization. The promotion of Spanish and hispanicity is obviously the first purpose of this organization. But to invite a lot of countries where Spanish is not spoken, DOESN'T make sense. You can invite tomorrow China, Japan, USA and Russia to these meetings and they don't will speak this language.


Final comparison with French.

I don't know why French people like to compare Spanish and French. Ok.

French is more spoken as secondary language (250 million), more spoken as total speakers (600 million) while Spanish has just 330 million native speakers and 20 million secondary and foreign speakers, more widespread and ALL SPEAK STANDARD FRENCH (all Francophones understand perfectly French from all the countries) than French (Spanish from Chile, Argentina, Cuba, and Venezuela are now distinct dialects according to all experts, not understood by Castilian people).

French is definitely not Spanish and proven is probably the second most studied language, after English, and the language with the second number of websites in the Internet after English

In the technological field, it is the third most important language, after English, Russia, if you consider the technologies of French speaking world.

To see the strengh of Spanish as economic language, an example, There are only in European Union and USA over 150 million of French speakers as first or second language while Spanish is just 45 million including speakers of Catlan, Basque, Galician, Asturian, Aragonese, Sevillian, and Leonese.

Finally, French is official in European Union, NAFTA (North America), OAU (Africa), African Union (Africa), NATO, OPEC, Universal Postal Union, Olympics and Antarctic Treaty (Antarctica).

In Vatican (the center of the Roman Catholic World), Italian, and Latin are the only official languages, but French is included in this tiny state.
Milton l'idiote   Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:17 pm GMT
<< Um.....No. You are wrong. It is the majority native and has presence in all of Spain. It is the national language. Other minority languages are official only in their regions. >>

Yes Castilian is very much a minority and it's even despised and dislodged by Catalan, Galician, Basque, Asturian, Aragonese, and Leonese.

<< In Peru and Ecuador NO! The majority of people speak Spanish there. CHECK YOUR FACTS! In Bolivia about 40-50% natively.
>>

YOU ARE A HISPANIC LIAR AND TROLL!

Nope it's below 50%. The Cholos(mestizos) speak Quechua and Aymara as their native language.

<< Boliva and Paraguay are among the small Hispanic countries, so it's not a big deal anyways. Regardless, it is official and spoken in both those places. >>

Good! At least you admitted that Spanish plays a secondary role in those countries.

Hey hispanic dung beetle troll, why don't we talk about how REAL Spanish is a MINORITY language in most countries outside of Castilia where it's official? Let's talk about how native Neo-Spanish languages are more common in many "Hispanophone" countries? And they should be.
Maine   Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:21 pm GMT
-Just 10% of Brussels speak Dutch at home. the other 10% are non-french and dutch speakers.-

It's true.

Languages spoken at home

French only 80 %
French & non-Dutch language 10%
Dutch 11 %

For most good job positions in Brussels, knowledge of both French is obligatory, which is so unlike 100 years ago majority spoke Dutch. Thanks to the prestige of French, Belgium changed from being a 75% Dutch speaking country (in the times of Belgian Cong) to being 45% French speaking.
Maine   Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:24 pm GMT
In Buenos Aires, capital of the Argentina, the languages are:

1. Spanish (official)
2. Italian
3. French (International and cultural language)
4. German
5. English (International language)

In Washington D.C., capital of USA, the international languages are:

1. English
2.French


It is obvious that English and French are important in Buenos Aires and Washington. They are the most spoken, not considering the official languages.
Maine   Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:27 pm GMT
Number of French speakers is rising in official Spanish area in Pyrenees, because knowledge of this languages is obligatory for most good job positions in neighbour country of France.
But you're a sodomite   Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:32 pm GMT
Even by the most optimistic numbers for foreign language of Spanish (20 m.), French needs only Democratic Republic of Congo 24,320,000 to surpass Spanish. The 33 countries are just succulent bonuses.
Maine   Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:57 pm GMT
<< Is French on the decline?

YES >>

NO. But Spanish? YES.

<< With hardly 200 million of French speakers, French is 10th most spoken language after English, Chinese, Spanish, Hindi, Arabic, Russian, Malay-Indonesian, Bengali and Portuguese. It will dissapear from the top ten in the near future. >>

With hardly 650 million native, secondary, and foreign speakers of French, French is 2nd most wodespread spoken language after English while Spanish will dissapear from the top 5 in the near future.


<< Status as an international language

It WAS official in 33 countries. Now in 29 countries, but a minority language in 28 of them. So, the status of this language is obviously worse. There is lots of evidence that French is slipping as an international language.>>

It is official in 33 countries. Now in over 35 countries, but majority of the people of them speak it as native or secondary. So, the status of this language is obviously far better than Spanish wherein the population speak bad Spanish even the educated ones. There is lots of evidence that French as an international language is ever growing.

<< Comparison with other world languages

Chinese, English, Arabic, Spanish and Russian are more spoken and more widespread than French. These languages are DOMINANT in a big area as native languages. French is only dominant in France. >>

English, French, Russian, Arabic, and Portuguese are more spoken and more widespread than Spanish as secondary and foreign languages. These languages are HEARD ALL THE TIME in a big areas as non-native languages languages. REAL Spanish is only heard in Castilia and Antioquia, Colombia.




<< Why care about the Francophonie?

It’ surprising the importance of this organization. The promotion of French is obviously the first purpose of this organization. But to invite a lot of countries where French is not spoken, DOESN'T PROMOTE this language. You can invite tomorrow China, Japan, USA and Russia to these meetings and they don't will speak this language. >>

It’ surprising the importance of this organization. The promotion of French is obviously the first purpose of this organization. But to invite a lot of countries where French is not spoken, DOES PROMOTE this language. You can invite tomorrow China, Japan, USA and Russia to these meetings and they will speak this language.



<< Final comparison with Spanish.

I don't know why French people like to compare French and Spanish. Ok.

Spanish is more spoken as native language (400 million), more spoken as total speakers (500 million), more widespread and MORE SIMILAR (all Hispanics understand perfectly Spanish from all the countries) than French (French from Haiti is now a different language according to all experts, not understood by French people). >>

I don't know why hispanic people like to compare Spanish with French. Ok.

Spanish is more spoken as native language (330 million), more spoken as total speakers (350 million), less widespread and MUCH MORE DISIMILAR (all Hispanics imperfectly understand Spanish from all the countries e.g. "coger") than French (French from Haiti is now a different language according to all experts, understood by the French people because their French aside form Creole are far better than the bastardized Spanish of the Hispanic Americans, Andalusians and Canarians).

<< Spanish is probably the second most studied language, after English, and the third language of Internet after English and Chinese. >>

Spanish is not the second most studied language but French, after English, French, German, Italian, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, and Portuguese and the language which has fewer website written on it in the Internet than English, French, German, Italian, and Japanese. Worse, it has fewer articles written on it than English, German, French, Italian, Portuguese, Dutch and even Polish.

In the economic field, it is the third most important language, after English and Chinese, if you consider the GDP of all Hispanic countries and the Hispanic minority in USA.

<< To see the strengh of Spanish as economic language, an example, Bill Richardson, next American Secretary of Commerce (USA) and Joaquin Almunia, European Comissioner for Economic and Monetary Affairs (European Union) have Spanish as mother tongue. There are only in European Union and USA over 100 million of Spanish speakers as first or second language. >>

To see the weakness of Spanish as economic language, an example, There are only in European Union and USA over 45 million of Spanish speakers as first or second language(including Catalan, Galician, Basque speakers).

Finally, Spanish is official in European Union, NAFTA (North America), UNASUR (South America), Central American Common Market (Central America) and Antarctic Treaty (Antarctica) but not of African Union. Swahili is added as an official language of that organization but not Spanish.

In APEC (Asia), English is the only official language, but just Chinese is promoted in this organization.
It's raining frogs   Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:14 pm GMT
<<Spanish is not the second most studied language but French, after English, French, German, Italian, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, and Portuguese and the language which has fewer website written on it in the Internet than English, French, German, Italian, and Japanese
>>


After English (30% of Web visitors) the most requested languages on the World Wide Web are Chinese (17%), Spanish (9%), Japanese (7%), French (5%) and German (5%).[8]
Arizona   Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:24 pm GMT
I see that you only know to copy posts.

OK, but you can't copy webpages with the correct information.

*Brussels. Languages:

1. French (official)

2. English

3. Dutch (official)

4. Spanish 7.39%

5. Arabic 6.36%

6. Italian 5.72%

7. German 5.56%


Rudi Janssens study. University of Brussels (VUB).

http://www.elpais.com/articulo/sociedad/Cervantes/pone/pica/Flandes/elpepisoc/20080607elpepisoc_1/Tes




*The official languages of African Union are English, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Arabic and Swahili.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Union#Languages





*Spanish is the second most studied language in the World

http://vivirlatino.com/2007/04/27/spanish-second-most-studied-language-worldwide.php




*Finally, English, Spanish and Chinese are promoted in APEC countries.

e-Language Learning Project.

The initial focus will be on English, Chinese, and Spanish, which are expected to be the dominant languages on the Internet.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/10/20011023-21.html




PD. You can copy the posts, but you need webpages to support your data. Please, they must be from 2006-2008. They can be French, American, Spanish or Chinese, but add webpages to your data, mon ami.
Arizona   Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:40 pm GMT
*New York. Languages:

1. English

2. Spanish 13.61%

3. Chinese 2.04%

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_york



*Washington. Languages:


1. English

2. Spanish 8.78%

3. French 1.35%


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington,_D.C.
eastlander   Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:40 pm GMT
Number of Dutch language speakers (most of them are of local Flemish origin)is rising in the North France ( departements Nord and Pas de Calais ),because knowledge of Dutch is obligatory for most good job positions in neighbour country of Belgium(Flanders).
Mike   Wed Dec 10, 2008 6:04 pm GMT
eastlander Tue Dec 09, 2008 6:44 pm GMT
Number of Letzebuergesch and German speakers is rising in official French speaking Arlon area in Belgium,because knowledge of those languages is obligatory for most good job positions in neighbour state of Luxemburg.

I regularly drop by in Letzebuergesch to fill my tank - most personel in shops and stations are women who speak French only and are quite unflexible if you signal that you speak German only: they just repeat their French sentences as if they were unable to understand that somebody didn´t speak the language of Moličre....