Were Celtic people closer to Germans or Latins?

Guest   Sun Apr 05, 2009 12:42 pm GMT
Why do you say: 'filming and movies'?
Why don't you say: 'filming and films' or movieing and movies'?
Skippy   Sun Apr 05, 2009 9:45 pm GMT
The book I read, called simply "The Celts," said the Celts were mostly brown-haired, blue-eyed, and relatively tall compared to the Romans.
The Celts Rule   Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:47 pm GMT
Where's Damien? I want his opinion!!
Since he's Scottish, he should know better than other users.
guest of the week   Tue Apr 07, 2009 5:16 pm GMT
the 'celts' were a linguistic group that integrated almost all the western part of Europe, from south (Portugal/Spain) to North (Scotland) to central Europe (Southern germany /Austria)...

It is sure that all the people that had spoken a celtic language in those times did not had the same ancestry, they were mixed from the previous peoples to the first celts that came from central Europe. So, in the times when the celtic word had the greatest extend in included peoples that were probably very different to each other.

If we watch the modern "celtic peoples", the people from the regions that claim "celtic" ancestry, we can observe very different physical features, mainly due to the pre-celtic backgrounds (such as iberians or basques in Spain) or post-celtic imigration (germanic in British isles) , Arabic in Portugal, etc..

Today, many people tend to associate a typical "celtic looking" to the British isles such as Irish or Scotish looks (such as red hair, pale skin, green eyes, etc), while it has proably nothing to see with being celtic (just have to see people in Asturias or Galicia to see the difference.
Damian in London   Tue Apr 07, 2009 10:45 pm GMT
...with an A and not an E! ;-)

The archipelago we now call Great Britain ( as opposed to Little Britain...no, not that one....the one over in France) has had a very chequered history to say the least.

Basically...to us a very well used term (to the annoyance of purists) the Celts were a very powerful group of people occupying much of Continental Europe - c.600BC, and they infiltrated this country (the UK) over a period of several centuries and fragmented into widely scattered tribal groups right across the country and going by a whole range of exotic sounding names such as the Brigantes, the Coritani, the Dobunni, the Catuvellauni, the Ordovices, the deceangi, the Silures (which I touched on briefly in another post when referring to those present day Morris Dancers down in Herefordshire, England, who call themselves the Silurian Morris Dancers...Herefordshire now occupying that area of Western England once ruled by the Silures people) close to the present day Wales.

Then there was the famous Iceni tribe of present day East Anglia - led by the truly scary female warrior Queen Boudicca (or Boadicea if you prefer), -who fought tooth and nail against the invading Romans in the later stages of the Celtic era just prior to the complete takeover by the Romans - and many more tribes with various weirdly sounding names.

There was a great deal of fighting and tribal squabbling among all these people over a period of time covering both of what became known as the Bronze and Iron Ages in Ancient Britain.

The heritage of what all these people left behind is now clearly evident all over the countryside of present day Britain - the ruins of ancient settlements dating back to about 500BC (villages and the like), hill forts galore - some of them still dominating the surrounding countryside today - such as the 2500 years old Danebury Hillfort - on the border between Hampshire and Wiltshire. Ancient burial mounds, long barrows, cromlechs, monuments, Celtic Crosses and goodness knows what else are dotted about all over the place.

Stonehenge, thousands of year old, is a wee bit of a mystery but a massive shrine today to all sorts of mystics and weirdos of all kinds. The Druids were another lot altogether - religious mystics for the most part with strange customs and rituals.

http://www.english-heritage.org.uk/server/show/ConMediaFile.17384

There are very many such Celtic sites in the UK - here is a list of many to be seen in England and Wales (there is a separate list for all the Scottish sites):

http://www.roman-britain.org/places/_hix.htm

Very many of these fearsome Celtic people originated in Southern Europe - from present day France, Spain and Portugal - basically dark haired people, dark eyes and darkish complexioned and relatively short in stature, and such people settled here and more or less spoke in languages originating from the same roots. The Welsh people of today tend to be of this description in fairly large numbers.

The Romans arrived here and remained for approximately 450 years, and the Celtic era was at an end by and large, and following the departure from these islands in 410AD subsequent invasions of Britain took place over the ensuing centuries - mostly from Northern Europe - which is where the taller, fair haired, fair skinned, blue eyed boys (and girls) came on the scene in what the Romans had called Britannia. The Vikings, the Danes, the Angles, the Saxons, the Jutes all stormed our shores over the years and the racial mix took shape in this country in a big way - and modern day Britain began to take shape, and in time the first glimmers of the English Language appeared on the scene in what is now England. The very last invasion took place in 1066 when the Norman French took a fancy to this green and pleasant land and the Conquest occurred in big way - and the French Language complicated matters still further.

Meanwhile the remnants of the Celts had been pushed way out to the more western extremities of the islands - Cornwall, Wales, and Scotand, where the Picts were dominant - and the old Celtic Languages still held sway among the darkish, shortish people of Southern European origin. In England the Germanic tribes took hold - the taller blokes with fair hair and fair skins and azure peepers...in the more eastern and central parts of the island...closest to nearby Continental Europe.

Although there is today a much more mobile population in the UK than there ever was before in history, the racial characteristics are still evident today in many native Brits - there is a much higher proportion of tall, fair haired, blue eyed people in much of England than there is in Wales and Cornwall, with a higher percentage of people with the A blood group - while in the Celtic areas there are more dark haired, dark eyes, relatively shortish people, with a preponderance of the O blood group category.

Scotland has been affacted rather differently over the centuries, and it's no accident that there are more red haired people (ginger nuts or carrot tops as they are "affectionately" called in the UK!) here in Scotland than anywhere else in the UK other than over in Ireland, but many Scots originally hailed from Ireland anyway in the dim and distant!

Now Robin can bollock me big time for my verbal diarrhoea! ;-)
Guest   Wed Apr 08, 2009 2:06 am GMT
<<the Celts were a very powerful group of people occupying much of Continental Europe - c.600BC>>

So powerful that they lost almost of of their territory, or were absorbed by other linguistic and cultural groups. Somuch so, that without inwitous efforts to preserve them they would otherwise be forquenched
Skippy   Wed Apr 08, 2009 2:26 am GMT
Weren't the Celts nomadic at that point? I think they were, so the groups being conquered and absorbed, at least earlier on, were smaller and living in sparsely populated areas while their main branches were off conquering France, Spain, and the British Isles.
Damian in London E14   Wed Apr 08, 2009 11:03 am GMT
I wonder what the Celts and the Romans of 2k years ago plus would make of Londinium today? That's London as we call it now. If you look closely enough you may well see the very office block I am in right now! ;-)
Damian in London E14   Wed Apr 08, 2009 11:06 am GMT
Och....I forgot the link....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Zobqleb8yU
Celtic   Wed Apr 08, 2009 1:19 pm GMT
Were Celtic people physically closer to Germanic people or Latin people?

They are closer to Celtic!!!!!

I mean, were Celts mostly tall, blond, pale skined with blue-greenish eyes like Northern Europeans(typical Germans)?

No they were not, they were exactly the opposite!!

Or were they mostly medium height, brunet to darker hair, darker skined and brown eyes like Southern Europeans(typical Latins)?

Typical ignorance of English native speakers! Oversimplification and idiot stereotypes are your daily bread!
Celta corto   Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:41 pm GMT
<<while it has proably nothing to see with being celtic >>

¿Existe en inglés "nothing to see with" o es una traducción literal del español ?
Guest   Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:44 pm GMT
Some theories say that the IE speakes in Western Spain like the Lusitanians spoke in reality an Italic language rather than a Celtic or Proto-Celtic one. Probably the Italic and Celtic peoples have the same root, whereas the Germanics belong to a different branch of the IE peoples.
guest   Thu Apr 09, 2009 5:48 pm GMT
" <<while it has proably nothing to see with being celtic >>

¿Existe en inglés "nothing to see with" o es una traducción literal del español ? "


Puede tambien ser una traduccion literal del francès
It could be also a literal translation from french
nsl1646   Sun Apr 19, 2009 4:34 pm GMT
According to recent genetic research, Celtic, Welsh, and Irish are closely related to the Basques genetically--a group found in Spain--which is why Welsh and Irish tend to have darker hair and sometimes look more Mediterranean than Germanic or Scandinavian.

Here's a link to a BBC Wales article about it:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/1256894.stm
Blue Sword   Mon May 04, 2009 9:11 pm GMT
On average, the ORIGINAL Celts were of medium height and complexion, had mainly dark brown to reddish hair and brown and hazel eyes, according to archaeologists and physical anthropologists. There were blond haired blue eyed types in the mix as well, but a minority. Celtic blondness was intensified through extended contact with Germanics and Nordics. However, genes for red hair were present in the original Celtic populations.

The great majority of these people migrated from the Alpine region and settled first in France and the Iberian Peninsula and then migrated to and from the British Isles.

Celtic lands today are almost exclusively located on the Atlantic fringe. These are:

1) Ireland
2) Scotland
3) Wales
4) Cornwall
5) Brittany
6) Galicia, Northern and Central Portugal and Asturias

All of these regions genetically have well above 50% Celtic markers and are closely related.

There are also pockets of Celtic influence in Belgium and Northern Italy.