Pronunciation of "just"

Washingtonian (the state)   Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:09 pm GMT
Should be:
"Just" I pronounce like "jist"...
Another Guest   Thu Jul 02, 2009 2:14 am GMT
No, d and j are completely different consonants. D is a voiced stop, while j is a fricative. dʒ does indeed have a a d sound, but a pure j does not.

Washington, do you pronounce the first syllable of "Justin" differently than "just"?
Washingtonian (the state)   Thu Jul 02, 2009 2:57 am GMT
Yes: Jestin; jist (stressed: juhst)
Entbark   Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:18 am GMT
j = /dʒ/ = dzh
J in English is an affricate, so it begins with a stop (d) and then finishes with a fricative (ʒ, like the 'z' in azure or the 's' in Asia). It's the voiced version of ch.

"How else could it be pronounced?"

Where I am from, the "cut" vowel is used most.
Kelly   Sat Jul 04, 2009 4:06 am GMT
General American [dʒʌst]
General American according to Phonetic Symbol Guide [dʒɨst]*
Southern US, NYC [dʒəst]
RP, Canadian [dʒɐst]
Cockney, Australia [dʒast]
New Zealand [dʒɪst]


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*''Word with a shwa that is pronounced somewhat higher than the mid line.'' Page 86 of the ''Phonetic Symbol Guide'' 2nd ed, by The University of Chicago Press.
boxie   Sat Jul 04, 2009 1:54 pm GMT
@Kelly: can you translate your post into XSAMPA or fauxnetics? IPA symbols are not viewable on my browser.
Kathryn   Sun Jul 05, 2009 2:57 pm GMT
I don't know what the symbols mean but Justin is a heritage name in my family. We have 4 generations of that name.

We are from the SW US; we pronounce it juhs tun.
troublesum   Sun Jul 05, 2009 3:05 pm GMT
...honestly, i think a lot of americans (maybe even the majority? can we get a show of hands?) pronounce just as [dʒʌs].
Another Guest   Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:30 am GMT
I pronounce it [ʒʌst]. I really don't understand why people keep sticking a d in it. Can someone supply a sound file of it being pronounced with a d?
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>> I pronounce it [ʒʌst] <<

I'm most certainly sure that you don't. [ʒ] is the "zh" sound--as in the "s" in the word "Asia". Unless you're French, I'm sure you don't use [ʒ].

What you mean is that you use [ʤ]. [ʤ] is the ligature for that sound. You can also you a bar to tie the d and the ʒ together, or just write a d followed by a ʒ, which is what many people did above. This sound is an affricate.

According to Wikipedia: "Affricates are consonants that begin as stops (most often an alveolar, such as [t] or [d]) but release as a fricative (such as [s] or [z] or occasionally into a fricative trill) rather than directly into the following vowel."

>> RP, Canadian [dʒɐst] <<

No, CE uses the same vowel as General American.
Another Guest   Mon Jul 06, 2009 4:34 am GMT
It certainly sounds like ʒ here: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/just
Milton   Mon Jul 06, 2009 7:13 am GMT
>> RP, Canadian [dʒɐst] <<

No, CE uses the same vowel as General American.

//Are you sure, here are the formant frequencies for you to compare:



Mean F1 of the stressed vowel in ''study, mother, bud, just'' by dialect:



Pittsburgh--------------787
Eastern New England--768
RP------------------------754
Atlantic Provinces------746
Providence--------------736
Canada------------------736
Cincinnati--------------730
Western New England-728
Boston----------------- 727
St. Louis---------------726
Western Pennsylvania-725
Florida-----------------723
Middle Atlantic---------721
West--------------------712
Charleston--------------712
Inland North------------706
North-------------------701.4
Midland-----------------695
NYC---------------------692
South-------------------687
Texas South------------673
Inland South-----------664

Mean values of low vowels for 20 dialects. PI = Pittsburgh; WPA = Western Pennsylvania; CA = Canada; PR = Providence; S = Inland South; M = Midland; IN = Inland North.

by Professor Labov
boz   Tue Jul 07, 2009 9:12 am GMT
<< It certainly sounds like ʒ here: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/just >>

No it does not.

Initial [ʒ] would be : http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/zhukov