TomOHrrow or TomAHrrow
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| You have [a] and [Q] rather than [A] and [Q], or [a] and [A]? So you make a huge distinction between them. Interesting. |
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| Very interesting. My pronunciation of BALL [bQl] is very different from my pronunciation of BOWL [bo:l]. |
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ball /bAl/
Bull /bUl/ Bowl /bo(U)l/ I'm from the West. |
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Someone mentioned that some people with the cot-caught-merger who normally use [A] for the merged vowel use [Q] before [5] and [N]. I was wondering if they also use [Q] before [g] and [k] since they're also velar consonants, just like [5] and [N].
As for the ball/bowl thing: I don't think I've ever heard someone pronounce /oUl/ as [Q5]. [O5] however seems to be a pretty common realization. Not only for /oUl/ but also for /Vl/ and /Ul/ as it seems: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081030135837AAWl4hT |
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Someone mentioned that some people with the cot-caught-merger who normally use [A] for the merged vowel use [Q] before [5] and [N] ''
// what is [N] is it -ŋ? I guess c/c merger has nothing to do with it... See why: The preferred -Ong vowel ''Song, Long, Wrong, Hong Kong'' in Western US and in Atlantic Canada ' is [ɑ:], /Q/ is occasionally heard tho' in Northern California, Oregon and Washington. /ɑ/ in ''Song, Long, Wrong'' and [a] in ''Hong Kong'' is common in the Great Lakes Area. /ɑ/ in ''Song, Long, Wrong, Hong Kong'' is frequent in the South as well, even in the c/c unmerged areas. Even dictionaries that don't list the c/c/merged pronunciations (American Heritage Dict. for example), give the alternative -O(ng) pronunciations: song [so:ŋ, sɑ:ŋ] long [lo:ŋ), lɑ:ŋ]... In Western and Central Canada (from Vancouver to Toronto) [Q] is preferred, but many people have [ɑ], they're interchangeable. In St. John's (NewFoundland), the merged c/c vowel is in the central area [ä], and ''song, long, wrong, Hong Kong'' vowel is never fully back and rounded, it's less central than in the cot/caught vowel but they're not fully back and rounded (cot/caught [kä:t], doll/call [dɑ:l/kɑ:l], Hong Kong / wrong song [hɑ:ŋ kɑ:ŋ /wrɑ:ŋ sɑ:ŋ]...Here is a small sample: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MKPlsQuTjg you can preview various dialectal pronunciations of some words here: ALL http://www.lel.ed.ac.uk/research/gsound/Eng/Database/Phonetics/Englishes/ByWord/Word_001_all.htm LONG http://www.lel.ed.ac.uk/research/gsound/Eng/Database/Phonetics/Englishes/ByWord/Word_052_long.htm DAUGHTER http://www.lel.ed.ac.uk/research/gsound/Eng/Database/Phonetics/Englishes/ByWord/Word_013_daughter.htm Some traditional Scottish, Irish and/or Northern English accents have unrounded vowel /ɑ/ in ''all, long''...So, one could presume the unrounded pronunciation is the older one (compare with ALLES, LANG in German, these words have the unrounded vowel [ɑ]). LONG [lɑ:ŋ, wrɑ:ŋ, sɑ:ŋ] in MW Learner's Dic: http://www.learnersdictionary.com/search/long http://www.learnersdictionary.com/search/wrong http://www.learnersdictionary.com/search/song SONG ([sɑ:ŋ]) in Hollywood: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_Z6Qg5XErA Unrounded /ɑ/'s in a famous song: ''call, fall, long'' [kɑ:l, fɑ:l, lɑ:ŋ] California's Martika hit: Toy Soldiers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3eAzL6qsL4 |
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thanks for the links.
The low back merger is one of my favorite topics here on the boards. I don't know why so many Americans are unaware of its existence. |
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| I think there probably is. I use the NORTH vowel in tomorrow, which I associate with the TONE vowel, and it is nothing like the CAUGHT vowel. |
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| I pronounce Tomorrow as [tʰmɔʁoː], I'm from the Upper Midwest. And yes, that is a uvular R there, my R is uvular after back vowels. |
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So that's what they're talking about! This guy doesn't even sound like he belongs in North America:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sSFSQb93aw&NR=1 |
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