Spanish was a lingua Franca in 16th and 17th century

Vistor   Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:55 am GMT
Spanish replaced Latin as the language of diplomacy and (in some aspects) culture during the 16th and early 17th centuries, WHEN IT WAS REPLACED BY FRENCH.

http://encyclopedia.stateuniversity.com/pages/13578/lingua-franca.html
Homme Fatal   Thu Dec 10, 2009 7:19 am GMT
So, Spanish is the one that is declining worldwide.

The proofs are:
1. It used to be the European lingua franca of 16th to early 17th century.
2. It died out in usage in countries like Philippines, Guam, and Marianas.
3. It is dying in African countries of Western Sahara and Equatorial Guinea where it is rapidly giving way to French.
4. It is being threatened by Quechua and Aymara in Bolivia, Peru, and Ecuador, by Guarani in Paraguay, by Quiche in Guatemala, by English in Puerto Rico, Panama, and Costa Rica, and by French and Haitian Creole in Dominican Republic.

5. It fell into disuse in international diplomacy starting from early 17th century. Just the Hispanic countries use it among themselves and sometimes they English and French.
PARISIEN   Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:12 am GMT
<< Spanish was a lingua Franca in 16th and 17th century >>

- Totalement faux.

Au maximum pourrait-on soutenir que le castillan a brièvement été une des langues dominantes vers la fin du 16e siècle dans l'Ouest de la Méditerranée, en compétition avec l'italien.

Mais il est resté ignoré en Europe continentale. Y compris aux Pays-Bas espagnols, qui étaient administrés en français.
GUest   Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:08 pm GMT
Ohhhh! French people are always living in the PAST, when French WAS an international language.


I don't care if Spanish was important in the past or not.

Spanish is NOW the second most important language because it is a strong regional language: spoken by at least 50 million people in 3 continents (North America, European Union and Latin America), and the most spoken Western language.

Another good example is Mandarin Chinese. It is also a strong regional language. It is the most spoken language in Asia.

So, if French wants to play the role of "second World language" you can, but I think it is not a good idea. People prefer to study the FIRST World language.



People study the global language and the most important regional language. Two examples:

In Kazakhstan people study English (the global language) and Russian (the regional one).

In Singapore or Hong Kong people study English (the global language) and Mandarin Chinese (the regional one).

Can you understand that?
Guest   Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:02 pm GMT
"I don't care if Spanish was important in the past or not. "

This is just the topic this thread is about.
JM   Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:14 pm GMT
Of course mate , Spain at that tiem was a big Empire . Even the spanish dollar was the world currency a century later.

Un español nunca huye, se da la vuelta y sigue avanzando.
Tal parece que Dios es Español

Land that belonged to the Spanish Empire. Some of them not too much. So it's normal that old-Spanish was understood for many:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7LJBUYHXo8


¡Qué gente aquella! ¿eh?. Todos contra nos, nos contra todos.
juan   Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:42 pm GMT
Estoy hasta la coronilla! Idos al carajos, jilipollas
Baldewin   Fri Dec 11, 2009 12:01 am GMT
Since recently Spanish finally has become one language, officially, with one official grammar.
Visitor   Fri Dec 11, 2009 12:56 am GMT
<< Ohhhh! French people are always living in the PAST, when French WAS an international language. >>

Look who's talking. That's why you're always posting threads about the decline of French when it was the sole international language.

At least French is considered a global language along with English while Spanish not because in the late 17th century, its glory faded and still fading and the proof is its situation in the Philippines, Guam, Marianas, Western Sahara, and Equatorial Guinea.

<< In Kazakhstan people study English (the global language) and Russian (the regional one). >>

Kazakhstan

Statistics

Number of learners of French: 224 000

Number of Teachers of French: 1 700

Location of French

French is so far the foreign language most studied in Kazakhstan after the three compulsory languages (Kazakh, Russian, English). The number of teacher tends to decrease due to lack of vocations for the profession, salaries are very low. The recent concern of Kazakh education authorities to modernize their education system by bringing it closer to European standards should pave the way for reflection on the place of language teaching and by extension that of French (learning a second language living that would benefit the French is to date not required).
Shares in favor of French

The Cultural Department is implementing since 2004 a French network of alliances (primarily in Astana and Almaty), which supplements the reading rooms. In secondary education, the office conducted a program of continuing education at two seminars per year in conjunction with associations of French teachers. In higher education, cooperation is conducted with the French faculty of the University of International Relations and World Languages (URILM) Almaty, including the creation of a High Council of theses in cooperation with the University of Toulouse le Mirail to enable teachers to support research doctorates state and thus to integrate the French faculties of universities in Kazakhstan.

http://74.125.153.132/search?q=cache:F89kuvLGp3UJ:www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/fr/IMG/doc/Fiche_Le_francais_en_Asie_centrale.doc+Le+fran%C3%A7ais+en+Asie+centrale&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk
Visitor   Fri Dec 11, 2009 12:58 am GMT
<< In Singapore or Hong Kong people study English (the global language) and Mandarin Chinese (the regional one).

Can you understand that? >>

Of, course because Singapore is a former British possession so English reigns there.

Can you understand that?
Visitor   Fri Dec 11, 2009 1:02 am GMT
Baldewin is a Hispanic disguising as Flemish.
Visitor   Fri Dec 11, 2009 1:10 am GMT
<< Ohhhh! French people are always living in the PAST, when French WAS an international language. >>

Look who's talking. That's why you're always posting threads about the decline of French when it was the sole international language.

At least French is considered a global language along with English while Spanish not because in the late 17th century, its glory faded and still fading and the proof is its situation in the Philippines, Guam, Marianas, Western Sahara, and Equatorial Guinea.

<< In Kazakhstan people study English (the global language) and Russian (the regional one). >>

Kazakhstan

Statistics

Number of learners of French: 224 000

Number of Teachers of French: 1 700

Location of French

French is so far the foreign language most studied in Kazakhstan after the three compulsory languages (Kazakh, Russian, English). The number of teacher tends to decrease due to lack of vocations for the profession, salaries are very low. The recent concern of Kazakh education authorities to modernize their education system by bringing it closer to European standards should pave the way for reflection on the place of language teaching and by extension that of French (learning a second language living that would benefit the French is to date not required).
Shares in favor of French

http://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/fr/IMG/doc/Fiche_Le_francais_en_Asie_centrale.doc.

<< In Singapore or Hong Kong people study English (the global language) and Mandarin Chinese (the regional one).

Can you understand that? >>

Of, course because Singapore is a former British possession so English reigns there.

Can you understand that?
anon   Fri Dec 11, 2009 2:14 am GMT
<<because in the late 17th century, its glory faded and still fading and the proof is its situation in the Philippines, Guam, Marianas, Western Sahara, and Equatorial Guinea.>>

Spanish is flourishing in Equatorial Guinea; its the native language of the majority there.
hera I am   Fri Dec 11, 2009 2:58 am GMT
"Spanish was a lingua Franca in 16th and 17th century"

It never was, period.
Franco   Sat Dec 12, 2009 1:09 am GMT
Baldewin is a Hispanic disguising as Flemish.



Te han descubierto ,Baldewin.