better bedder

guest   Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:02 pm GMT
Hello!

Are "better" and "bedder" pronounced the same way in American English?
Guest   Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:10 pm GMT
Yes, for the most part. There may be some people who distinguish them, but most Americans pronounce them the same.
Caspian   Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:21 pm GMT
And in Devon as well!
Uriel   Tue Dec 15, 2009 2:04 am GMT
Probably where we got it from.
Guest   Tue Dec 15, 2009 4:09 pm GMT
"Yes, for the most part. There may be some people who distinguish them, but most Americans pronounce them same. "

If so, why does Merriam-Webster give /ˈbe-dər/ for "bedder" and /ˈbe-tər/ for "better"?

See the pronunciation:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bedder
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/better
feati   Tue Dec 15, 2009 5:13 pm GMT
>>Guest Tue Dec 15, 2009 4:09 pm GMT
>If so, why does Merriam-Webster give /ˈbe-dər/ for "bedder" and /ˈbe-tər/ for "better"?

That's because "better" still CAN be pronounced with [t] and "bedder" still CAN be pronounced with [d] even though they're usually not (but with [4] instead).

[4] = alveolar tap
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alveolar_tap
Guest   Tue Dec 15, 2009 5:20 pm GMT
This phenomenon is also found in Australian and New Zealand English, isn't it?
Kesington Palace   Tue Dec 15, 2009 5:35 pm GMT
yes, and in Canada too.
Best Guest   Wed Dec 16, 2009 9:50 pm GMT
<<And in Devon as well!>>

How do they pronounce it in Devon? Like Americans do?
K   Thu Dec 17, 2009 4:28 pm GMT
More common in Devon is the "glottal stop" /'be?-ər/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glottal_stop
Caspian   Thu Dec 17, 2009 7:46 pm GMT
For 'better', it's more common to pronounce it as 'd'.

My sample of Devon accent then standard pronunciation of the phrase 'I'm better'.

http://www.quickfilepost.com/download.do?get=3b9f83e50705b65b80f9fab242118363