Languages Europeans find useful to know

Penetra   Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:55 pm GMT
Enzo, you don't need to get angry because I don't let myself slide into your territory. You pretend we to end up comparing Spain and France because your obsession is Spain, you are sick. Do you want that? OK, France's GDP is bigger but GDP of Spanish speaking countries combined is bigger than GDP of French speaking countries. That is my point and yet it is not strictly a linguistic matter, GDP of all countries where a language is spoken has more importance for that language than GDP of only one of those countries. The greatness of France (not that much in the last fifty years or so) gets nullified by the incredible backwardness of French african countries and the Spanish language ends up winning the battle thanks to that. I don't intend to insult you, but you are the most inconsistent person in terms of carrying a discussion I've come across on this forum. You validate my perception of the French being superficial and intellectualy dishonest people, and believe me, there are many people who share my view. For example you accussed the poor Mexicans for producing bad cars for the US market yet you did not give examples. On the other hand I demonstrated that indeed there are defective cars in the US market right now made by the Japanese I don't care if they were physically made in other countries appart from Japan. the Japanese are responsible for the quality of the products they sell, not the people in which those cars are made. Do you get it?. There are many motor companies producing cars in Spain and none has blamed the Spanish for doing bad their work so far, on the contrary. As for the TV sets, that obscure object of desire for you, tell me, what French company produces TV sets? I can't think of one right now.
El Zorro   Sun Apr 18, 2010 12:04 am GMT
Mira Enzo o Visitor o lo que sea, a ver si lo entiendes de una vez. Te lo digo en español porque en ingles no lo quieres entender.

El poder economico del español es superior al poder economico del frances y del aleman. Y eso lo dicen todos los expertos. Asi que no se de que te extrañas.

Busca el Steinke index. Esta hecho por los alemanes, los cuales reconocen que la SEGUNDA LENGUA economica occidental es el español, y no el frances o el aleman.

Hablo de idiomas, por lo tanto no tiene sentido hablar de España, Francia y Alemania.

PD. Por cierto, si que produzco. Soy programador. No se lo que harás tu.

Por otro lado, el PIB de los hispanos de Estados Unidos ya hace tiempo que está calculado por las empresas americanas. Las empresas americanas prestan mucha atención a ese nicho de mercado, un 15% de la población estadounidense.
yes ,Visitor   Sun Apr 18, 2010 12:59 am GMT
¡Usted extiende sólo mentiras su contrymen! ¿Cómo podría usted hacer esto? Una lengua económica no tiene algo que ver con el tamaño de PBI. Mi Dios, usted tiene dificultades en el entendimiento de la economía y no sólo. Usted no puede usar una lógica simple y seguir un sujeto claro.
¿Por qué no pueden concentrarse un poco en el sujeto de discusión?
¿Por qué no es sincero al menos con ustedes? ¿Piensa que la otra gente es tan inocente como usted mismo? ¿Por qué no le mejora conocimiento antes de decir que las compañías americanas determinan el PBI de los Hispanos? Esto es infantil y adivino que este era la razón por qué ha decidido escribir en español en vez del inglés; porque decía a una mentira sus hombres de país. ¿Qué programador son usted con una lógica tan pobre y la capacidad de análisis? ¡Patético!


Look at this...this is your GDP!

GDP per Capita - Spain Compared to

Luxembourg $113,044
Norway $95,062
Switzerland $67,385
Denmark $62,626
Ireland $61,810
Iceland $55,462
Sweden $52,790
Netherlands $52,019
Finland $51,989
Austria $50,098
Belgium $47,108
France $46,016
Germany $44,660
UK $43,785
Italy $38,996
Spain $35,332
Penetra   Sun Apr 18, 2010 1:21 am GMT
what's this?   Sun Apr 18, 2010 1:45 am GMT
flamo-chinese?
gold   Sun Apr 18, 2010 1:54 am GMT
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El Zorro   Sun Apr 18, 2010 8:41 am GMT
Well, you can see here the GDP by country:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)

The GDP by country is obviously not the same that the GDP per capita



With over 44 million people, Hispanics represent 14 percent of the population in the United States, including Puerto Rico, and by 2008 will have an estimated annual purchasing power of $1 trillion or 9.6% of the U.S. GDP.

http://www.hacr.org/about/


Considering the IMF List in 2008 (first webpage) and the 9% of the American GDP, we can calculate the power of Spanish, Japanese, Chinese, German and French. English is obviously first:

2. Spanish: Spain 1.6 + Mexico 1 + Hispanos USA 1.2 + South America 1.2= Spanish 5 (in millions of USD)

3. Japanese: Japan 4.9 (in millions of USD)

4. Chinese: China 4.3 + Taiwan 0.3 + Hong Kong 0.2= Chinese 4.8 (in millions of USD)

5. German language: Germany 3.6 + Austria 0.4 + German Switzerland 0.3= 4.3 (in millions of USD)

6. French language: France 2.8 + Other francophones regions (Quebec, Wallonia, French Switzerland) 0.6 + French Africa 0.15= 3.5 (Millions of USD)
Penetre   Sun Apr 18, 2010 11:57 am GMT
<< The greatness of France (not that much in the last fifty years or so) gets nullified by the incredible backwardness of French african countries and the Spanish language ends up winning the battle thanks to that. >>

Don't be so insecure in France just because Spain never had greatness not even during the time of reconquista. In fact Spain suffered the greatest humiliation of all time and that is the destruction of Armada.

Spain cannot have greatness because it is considered the "Sick man of Europe" meaning a technological backward country. Did Spain accomplishment what France did like in literature, science, medicine, and technology like: Minitel, SPOT satellite, TGV, Exocet missiles, discovery of AIDS virus, etc. The accomplishment of Spain and other Hispanic speaking countries is less than an eighth of that of France.

What do you mean that Spanish is winning the battle? If it's winning then how come that it all just died suddenly in countries like Philippines and Guam ruled by Spain for more than 300+ years. Actually French is second to English as the most spoken non-native language in the Philippines followed by Japanese, Italian, German, and Chinese. In Guam, Japanese is widely spoken while Spanish is unknown.

Similarly, Spanish is giving way to French in former Spanish possessions in Africa like Equatorial Guinea and Western Sahara and even in former Spanish Morocco.

<< I don't intend to insult you, but you are the most inconsistent person in terms of carrying a discussion I've come across on this forum. You validate my perception of the French being superficial and intellectualy dishonest people, and believe me, there are many people who share my view. >>

Look who's talking. If there are people who are intellectually dishonest it could only be the Hispanics. You can see it on what's happening in their countries: drug trafficking, corruption, fraud, violence, etc. and what they're doing in Wikipedia by altering the information just to favor the Hispanic world like Spain got 98 in IQ higher than France(96) when it's actually France was the one that got 98.

The hispanics are the one who are superficial because in this forum, they keep on insisting on quantity instead of quality flaunting that Spanish has more native speakers but in reality, it doesn't make Spanish international because few non-hispanic speak Spanish even at basic level.

There are more people who criticize the hispanic people than the French speaking people all over the world and the whole world knows what kind of psyche hispanics have. They can attest what I'm telling you right now.
Le Reynard   Sun Apr 18, 2010 12:34 pm GMT
To El Zorro Sun Apr 18, 2010 8:41 am GMT
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GDP by Languages

English: $14129 bn
Japanese: $4326 bn
Spanish: $3198 bn
German: $2850
French: $2223 bn
Mandarin: $1127
Italian: $1490 bn
Scandinavian: $733 bn (Swedish: $300 bn + Norwegian: $221 bn + Danish: $212 bn)
Dutch: $713 bn
Arabic: $694 bn
Portuguese: $670 bn
Russian: $548 bn
Hindi/Urdu: 487 M

http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/e/languages/index.html


Languages by GDP

Total GDP per language area in 2008 in billion US dollars at market exchange rates (as a % of world GDP in parenthesis) >> population in 2008 (UN figures for the countries and territories making up each language area, not the actual number of speakers) :

1- English: 19,837+ (32.6%+) >> 481.7 million+
2- Chinese: 5,210 (8.6%) >> 1,358.1 million
3- Japanese: 4,924 (8.1%) >> 127.2 million
4- German: 4,504 (7.4%) >> 96.4 million
5- Spanish: 4,364 (7.2%) >> 416.8 million
6- French: 4,097 (6.7%) >> 426.7 million
7- Italian: 2,332 (3.8%) >> 60.3 million
8- Russian: 1,959 (3.2%) >> 189.0 million
9- Arabic: 1,914 (3.1%) >> 342.1 million
10- Portuguese: 1,913 (3.1%) >> 249.2 million
11- Dutch: 1,267 (2.1%) >> 24.6 million
12- Korean: 973 (1.6%) >> 72.2 million
13- Malay-Indonesian: 931 (1.5%) >> 263.7 million
14- Turkish: 729 (1.2%) >> 71.5 million
15- Hindi-Urdu: 570 (0.9%) >> 720.8 million

In terms of GDP per capita, we get this below. Note that the languages that are towards the top of the list will see their share of the world GDP decline over the coming decades, whereas the languages towards the bottom of the table will see their share of the world GDP increase as the countries develop.

GDP per capita per language area (at market exchange rates):
Dutch: 51,466 US dollars
German: 46,703
Japanese: 38,722
Italian: 38,699
Korean: 13,472
Spanish: 10,471
Russian: 10,365
Turkish: 10,200
French: 9,602
Portuguese: 7,676
Arabic: 5,596
Chinese: 3,836
Malay-Indonesian: 3,530
Hindi-Urdu: 791

http://www.unilang.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=29191&p=580667

The one that is in Wikipedia is unreliable. The French speaking world is catching up and will surpass that of Spanish in the near future as the GDP growth of the latter slows down while that of the former is accelerating.
Shemik   Sun Apr 18, 2010 1:04 pm GMT
<< For example, Spanish is second in Germany, after English. The same in France or UK. In these countries is also second >>

Shut up! You don't have evidences to present you liar.

French is second in both UK and Germany that's the truth.

Popular Languages

A popular language is defined as one that is offered in pretty much every school that offers a foreign language. Most schools offer a choice of two out of the three popular languages, although many will offer a choice of all three at GCSE level. French, German and Spanish - the three in this category - are the most popular languages taken by British pupils.

French

French is the most common language for a pupil to learn at any level. In the year 2004, 320,818 pupils entered at GCSE level and 35,753 at A Level (20,580 at AS and 15,173 at A2). There are a number of reasons for it being popular; firstly, France is the most popular holiday destination for British tourists. As well as this, relations between France and Britain are always developing; although many French people speak English, there is always a demand for bilingual English and French speakers in industry. French is also one of the most popular languages for carrying on to degree level; in 2003, there were 21,255 students studying French is any combination (ie by itself, with another language or as part of another course). French is offered in most schools around the country; it is often chosen by pupils as the only language they carry on to GCSE study.

German

German is the second commonest MFL offered for school pupils, alongside French. Though it may be less popular than French, it still attracted 90,311 to take it at GCSE level in 2006. Part of the Germanic branch of the Indo-European language family, it is spoken by approximately 110 million native speakers and 18 million non-native speakers in the world and is an important business language.

Spanish

Spoken by around 400 million people, the distribution of the Spanish language is widely spread, ranging from Europe to South America. In 2007, 63978 students took GCSE Spanish, and the majority of students gained a grade C (20.7%).

http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/wiki/Modern_Foreign_Languages

WIESBADEN – Wie das Statistische Bundesamt mitteilt, erhielten von den rund 9,3 Millionen Schülerinnen und Schülern des vergangenen Schuljahres (ohne Vorschulen) 80% Fremdsprachenunterricht in Englisch, 19% in Französisch und 9% in Latein. Diese Reihenfolge der Fremdsprachen ist seit Jahren unverändert. Gegenüber dem Schuljahr 2000/2001 ist die Zahl der Teilnehmerinnen und Teilnehmer am Englischunterricht um 14,9%, derjenigen am Französischunterricht um 7,8% und derjenigen am Lateinunterricht um 30,7% gestiegen.

Die Zunahme bei Englisch und Französisch ist insbesondere auf die zwischenzeitliche Einführung von Fremdsprachen­unterricht im Primarbereich zurückzuführen. Latein wird nahezu ausschließlich (rund 95%) in Gymnasien unterrichtet. Im Schuljahr 2006/2007 lernte dort nahezu jeder dritte Schüler diese Fremdsprache, vor sechs Jahren war es noch jeder vierte.

Dabei gab es zwischen den Ländern deutliche Unterschiede: Die Spanne des Anteils der Lateinschülerinnen und -schüler in Gymnasien reichte von 13% in Bremen und 15% im Saarland und in Sachsen-Anhalt bis zu 39% in Nordrhein-Westfalen und 47% in Bayern.

Weitere Auskünfte gibt:
Hanna Lutsch,
Telefon: (0611) 75-2443,

E-Mail: schulstatistik@destatis.de

WIESBADEN - As the Federal Statistical Office, received from the approximately 9.3 million students of the last school year (excluding nursery) 80% FOREIGN LANGUAGE INSTRUCTION IN ENGLISH, 19% IN FRENCH AND 9% IN LATIN. This order of language is not changed in years. Opposite the school year 2000/2001 the number of participants in the English classes is 14.9%, those at the teaching of French has increased by 7.8% and those on teaching Latin by 30.7%.

The increase in English and French is mainly due to the intermittent introduction of foreign language teaching in primary education. Latin is almost exclusively (about 95%) taught in secondary schools. In the 2006/2007 school year, nearly one in three students there learned this foreign language, six years ago it was still one in four.

It was among the countries marked differences: the margin of the share of Latin school pupils handed in high schools from 13% in Bremen and 15% of the Saarland and Saxony-Anhalt up to 39% in North Rhine-Westphalia and 47% in Bavaria.

For more information please contact:
Hanna sucking,
Phone: (0611) 75-2443,

E-mail: schulstatistik@destatis.de

Fremdsprachenunterricht in Deutschland

Bis in die neunziger Jahre wurde die erste Fremdsprache (überwiegend Englisch) in deutschen Schulen ab der fünften Klasse, also nach Abschluss der Grundschule unterrichtet. Lediglich das Saarland bot ab der dritten Klasse Französisch-Unterricht an. Dies hat sich jedoch 1998/99 geändert, als mit der Einführung des Englisch-Unterrichts ab der dritten Klasse in Hamburg begonnen wurde. Ab dem Schuljahr 2004/2005 wird nun auch flächendeckend Englischunterricht in allen deutschen Bundesländern angeboten, in 9 von 16 Bundesländern Französisch und Italienisch und Russisch in Thüringen. In Baden-Württemberg ist der Englisch-Unterricht bereits ab der ersten Klasse Pflicht.

Teaching Languages in Germany

Until the nineties English was mainly the first foreign language in German schools from the fifth grade up to say after completion of primary school. Only in Saar offered from the third grade of French lesson. However, this has changed in 1998/99, when it was started to introduce the teaching of English from the third class in Hamburg. From school year 2004/2005 is now also teaching English is now offered covering all German federal states, in 9 out of 16 federal states, French and Italian are taught and Russian in Thuringia. In Baden-Wuerttemberg the teaching of English is already the first grade requirement.

http://wiki.zum.de/Fremdsprachenunterricht
Mallorquí   Sun Apr 18, 2010 1:06 pm GMT
Shemik, you take this forum too seriously. French will decline with or without your posts on here so take it easy, otherwise you will get a heart attack someday.

Let's dance

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nP1Be-168U
Mallorquí   Sun Apr 18, 2010 1:18 pm GMT
<< Shemik, you take this forum too seriously. French will decline with or without your posts on here so take it easy, otherwise you will get a heart attack someday.

Let's dance

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nP1Be-168U >>

This the real Mallorquí. I didn't post that non-sense. That one was posted by a Hispanic fanatic using Guest/Adolfo/Invitado/Usuario/Colette/Red Echelon/JGreco/Penetra and a lot more usernames.

Spanish speaking world is shrinking with or without your posts on here so take it easy, otherwise you will get a cardiac arrest or you'll get crazy someday.

P.S. Don't pee on your pants if you read articles about the sahky status of Spanish in Paraguay, Bolivia, Peru, Guatemala, and even Spain.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Mallorquí   Sun Apr 18, 2010 1:34 pm GMT
If you are real Mallorquí why don't you write in Spanish? You are a French fanatic imposter.
Mallorquí   Sun Apr 18, 2010 1:50 pm GMT
If you are real Mallorquí why don't you write in Catalan? You are a Hispanic fanatic impostor.
Mallorquí   Sun Apr 18, 2010 1:52 pm GMT
In Majorca most of people don't speak Catalan, you fool. Only very old people do.