Thanx...

Guest   Wed Apr 12, 2006 12:10 am GMT
I think that keeping a gun under the counter is more of a personal decision, and isn't standard. As for glass windows between the employees and customers... Ticket booths are usually like that, but I've never seen a store like that.
Damian in Edinburgh   Wed Apr 12, 2006 7:36 am GMT
Unless I'm mistaken I believe the American Constitution allows all citizens to carry guns as of right, and buying firearms in America is about as easy as it is to buy cream cakes in the UK. Here we have the solid belief that the gun culture has been there since the earliest days of the country's inception......the shoot outs since the days of the Wild West just seem to live on in the imaginations of people over here when they think of America.....it almost verges on the romantic, and when yet another mass shooting occurs over there (as in Seattle recently) we just assume it's "normal".

I know the UK has recently acquired an inner city gun culture, but it almost entirely involves the immigrant or ethnic population.....as in the recent fatal shooting of (unarmed!) police officers, including two (unarmed!) female officers...all were killed by ethnics (illegally armed). A male police officer (unarmed!) in Leeds was shot dead by...an American, who, surprise surprise, was carrying a gun...illegally. The bloke himself was here illegally. So whatever, it's a fact that in most people's minds over here, America and guns sort of automatically go together like salt and pepper.
Uriel   Wed Apr 12, 2006 8:08 am GMT
Stan Tue Apr 11, 2006 8:08 pm GMT
<< Jim C, I have NEVER whipped out the revolver under the till ... even when I worked retail >>

YEAH; RIGHT!!...and I am Mary Poppins!. Everyone knows that in America, there's always a revolver (or make that a loaded '.357 magnum') under the counter. I did watch the video of the store keeper who shot and killed five "would-be" robbers; all in the pretext of "trying to get the keys to the safe; behind the counter." His .45 magnum was right there, just under the counter - and what sort of store keeper would kill five people with a single shot each, tell me he is not the product of a society of blood thirsty and violent savages.

I don't know much about other countries but in the U.S, if the shop keeper or owner is acting too nice, its a guarantee he is only trying to remember where he kept his .38 magnum or worse still - a 12 gauge double barrel...brutal savages!!



....And that's why we don't bother to take you seriously, Stan. ;)

I've never worked in ANY place that had a gun under the counter. And under NM state law, it is quite illegal to have a gun on the premises of certain types of establishments, including liquor stores. (In fact, we had to prominently display that sign.)

Adding to that is the fact that a gun owner (presumably the store owner in your scenario) cannot legally let just anybody play with his toys, including his employees. He certainly isn't about to take the responsibility (and legal nightmare) for giving them the means to SHOOT people. There are laws that govern the use and misuse of firearms in even the most lenient of states, you know.

The constitutional right to bear arms does not give you the right to take them ANYWHERE. They're banned from all kinds of places. Municipal laws can even make them illegal within entire city limits. So, get a grip, y'all!
vince   Wed Apr 12, 2006 9:29 am GMT
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Guest   Wed Apr 12, 2006 10:15 am GMT
Uriel, you can't deny though that some shop owners must have guns under their counters. I know I've heard of them in news stories...
Stan   Wed Apr 12, 2006 10:52 am GMT
Here we go again:

Store owner kills robber: http://www.modbee.com/local/story/5697826p-6670992c.html

Store owner kills armed man:
http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/05/29/loc_loc1brob.html

Grocery Store Owner Kills Robbery Suspect:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=940DE4DA113FF932A05756C0A96E948260

Store Owner Kills Assailant With Trigger Lock
http://www.lovelandnet.com/toms-place/writing/triggerlock/index.htm

Store Clerk Shoots Robbery Suspect In Roselawn:
http://www.wcpo.com/news/2006/local/04/03/roselawn_shooting.html

Store Clerk Shoots Back At Robbers:
http://www.wsoctv.com/news/4681485/detail.html

Clerk shoots suspect who tried to rob store:
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060104/NEWS01/601040455/1006/NEWS01

Two men shot in York, PA (store clerk shoots would-be robber):
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1492732/posts

Store Clerk Shoots Suspected Robber In Head:
http://www.newsnet5.com/news/4005050/detail.html


I know someone will say they were all trying to protect themselves, "oh! what do you know!, I've got me a gun!!" - bang! bang!!. Talk about the American way of life...savages!!
me   Wed Apr 12, 2006 11:14 am GMT
Yeah, you're right, Stan. Everyone should bend over backwards in order to facilitate the wishes of the scumbag who is robbing them. If I had the legal right to carry a weapon then I would use it if I felt my life was under threat. You truely are a total Gobshite.
Stan   Wed Apr 12, 2006 12:08 pm GMT
<< Yeah, you're right, Stan. Everyone should bend over backwards in order to facilitate the wishes of the scumbag who is robbing them. If I had the legal right to carry a weapon then I would use it if I felt my life was under threat. You truely are a total Gobshite. >>

"a total Gobshite" - to return the complement, and since we are in the habit of using uncommon words, I'll say you are a "moon-calf." I guess you're one of those blood thirsty savages I talked about.

Well, think of it this way, if every armed robber should presume their potential victims are armed before acting, what you'll have is a lot of dead bodies. Why shouldn't I barge into the store, shoot the hell out of everyone in sight (because they all have guns anyway), and flee with my loot. It will only lead to more violence...silly.

I know Americans think giving everyone a gun is the antidote to paranoia, I simply remember the poor teenage kid that was shot twice in the chest at close range (with a double barrel shotgun) for walking on his neighbor's lawn in Ohio. I watched his folks cry on tv, the same people that think its a good idea for everyone to have guns.
Uriel...apparently a sava   Wed Apr 12, 2006 3:10 pm GMT
Some shop owners do keep guns, but it's certainly not the norm, Guest. You won't be facing down a shotgun barrel at Sears or your local grocery store.
Damian in Edinburgh   Wed Apr 12, 2006 3:54 pm GMT
Stan is as sweet as ever. (British irony) btw: did you mean "compliment"?
Jim C, York   Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:01 pm GMT
Ive been in a gun shop in York once, a very strange experience. I found it creepy. Shotguns for killing birds are fine. Any thing else is overkill, if you'll excuse the expression. I was shocked when I went to a Wallmart in Florida, where there was a rifle in a glasscase for sale, ( I think they have stopped selling guns now) But still, not the type of thing you would find in Asda! I would say that here in Britain it is not just in inner cities that there is gun violence, only a few weeks ago in a small town in NorthYorkshire, a man walked into a pub and shot a fella dead.
It takes all sorts as they say.
Uriel   Fri Apr 14, 2006 5:28 pm GMT
News to me. Our Walmart sells guns. And I think of shotguns as very dangerous weapons, capable of doing major damage -- it just depends on what you load them with. Birdshot is one thing. Buckshot is another.
Jim C, York   Fri Apr 14, 2006 6:14 pm GMT
Well the shop in York just sells shotguns to Farmers etc. and its all very strict, and within the law. Its just for country people for, counrtry things. I don't think you could get away with having a shotgun in the middle of a town or city, I think location is taken into account when you get a licence? I dunno though, ive never bought a gun. Also there are limits on types of amunition. What I dont get is how some people in America can have M16s and other automatic weapons for "hunting".. very strange.
Oh and when I say shotgun, they are mostly twin barrel affairs not pump action thingymajigs.
Uriel   Fri Apr 14, 2006 7:37 pm GMT
They don't have them for hunting. They have them for shooting. We don't really pretend about stuff like that.

I've never bought a gun either, but I don't think location plays much of a part in the actual license. That's usually issued by the state. You can usually OWN one anywhere. It's the conditions of carrying and firing them that generally come under both local and state laws.
sarosh@mail.vu   Mon Apr 17, 2006 5:22 pm GMT
Thank you with core of my herart!


Sarosh Khan
Pakistan