Mr. Knowalot's prescriptivism again.

Bill   Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:58 am GMT
Quote-''In my role as Mr. Knowalot, I hear a lot of pronunciation every day. When I listen to the radio, people are talking and therefore are pronouncing. When I watch TV, and listen to what the actors and announcers are saying, there's pronunciation there. Even in everyday conversation, whether Mr. Knowalot is involved or happens to overhear others talking, I hear people pronouncing words. There's pronunciation going on all over the place!''

And ... much of it is wrong.

''Such as the female announcer I heard the other day who said "to air is human." Of course the copy probably read "to err is human," but she did not know that the word "err" is pronounced "ur" -- it rhymes with her. "To ur is human...." Unfortunately, I'm not divine and so cannot forgive such a blunder. Not without some serious explaining.''

''Before Mr. Knowalot continues, let me say that I am NOT talking about accents here, or regionalisms. In fact, I think those are quite interesting. When Mr. Knowalot first came to the east coast about 16 years ago, I heard all kinds of new pronunciations. Such as the people in Boston who swallow their r's: "Get in the cah." (I think the r is there somewhere, it just doesn't get a lot of emphasis.)''

''Also, I guess we need to rule out the mispronunciations that are just a matter of preference. For instance, news announcers tell us that it's time for the nooz, or that the police did their doody, or that it's going to be a wite Christmas. Although I'd rather hear the "nyooz," and that the police were doing their "dyooty," and that we're going to have a "hwite" Christmas, I really don't have a case. These particular pronunciations seem boorish and uneducated to me, but I cannot say they are wrong. Well, yes I can. One should really not do his doody except in the appropriate porcelain facility.''

''When I talk about mispronunciation, mostly, is when words, no matter what the dialect, are authentically botched and corrupted. Am I strange in that it actually causes me pain to hear words mispronounced? Much of the time these botched pronunciations are by professionals, people who should know better. For a while there was a commercial running with a cartoon character who spoke of his for-TAY. The word he meant to say, forte, is pronounced FORT, like a place where soldiers hole up, not for-TAY, which is an Italian word meaning loud.''

''What's worse is when Mr. Knowalot pronounces a word accurately and people correct me. For instance, I hesitate to use the word forte, because invariably people look at me askance. Maybe they'll repeat it softly, "for-TAY," as if to gently guide me. If they are polite, they hold their "wisdom" within themselves, believing that I am an ignoramus because I have mispronounced a common ordinary word heard around the fort every day.''

''Instead of ignoring these people, I should do to them what a pedantic but influential professor of mine did about 25 years ago, while I was a student in junior college. Back then I was not Mr. Knowalot -- I was, or thought I was, Mr. Know-It-ALL. One day this professor was having a discussion with a woman and he used the word precedence, pronouncing it pri-SEED-ence. Since I happened to be nearby, waiting for his class to begin, and I was the helpful type, I said: "You mean PREH-sid-ence?" ''

''To his credit, the professor did not turn on me and pull out my tongue. He simply gave me a condescending glare and said, "Pri-SEED-ence is the correct pronunciation. Look it up." ''

'' "No, I believe you," I said, not wanting to look it up. Besides, I believed him. He was pedantic but always correct. I went into class and took my seat.''

''"Don't take my word for it." Immediately he returned to his office, delaying class, which happened to be Intermediate German, and brought back a huge Oxford English dictionary. He plopped it in front of me and found the word. Pointing to it, he pronounced for my edification: "Pri-SEED-ence."''

"I believed you, I said," I said, believing him, but now thinking he had some kind of complex.

''Another problem with word pronunciation is that it is difficult to find an authoritative dictionary. My pedantic German teacher used the Oxford English dictionary, clearly the best, but expensive. Webster's seems to reflect public usage, so if you look up the word "precedence" it will have pri-SEED-ence as the first pronunciation, but will also have PREH-sid-ence. And even though there might be a tilde (~) in front of the second pronunciation, most people don't know that the tilde means the pronunciation is not preferred, so in their minds the dictionary backs them up.''

''Nevertheless, a dictionary should be consulted when you want to find out how a word is pronounced. Here are a few words, including the above, that may prove interesting:''

''WORD: OFTEN SAID: SHOULD BE: MORE INFO:
APPLICABLE uh-PLIK-uh-bull ---- AP-li-kuh-bull
FORTE for-TAY --- FORT
PRECEDENCE PREH-sid-ence ---- pri-SEED-ence
CALM, PSALM, PALM calm, salm, palm --- cahm, sahm, pahm --- The L is silent.
AVAILABLE uh-VAIL-yable --- uh-VAIL-able --- Say it wrong a few times and it starts to sound right.
MISCHIEVOUS mis-CHIEV-ee-ous ---- MIS-chi-vus
DELUGE DEH-looj --- DEL-yooj
DUTY doody or dootee ---- DYOO-tee
ERR air --- ur
ERA AIR-uh --- EER-uh
YE (as in Ye Olde Forte) ye -- the --- The Y is actually an old Anglo-Saxon character, which was pronounced TH.
SHOPPE SHOP-ee --- shop --- This spelling is a throwback to old English anyway and should be avoided except for effect.
HEINOUS HIGH-nis, HEE-nis (and a variety of other corruptions) --- HAY-nis ---- The first syllable rhymes with say, play, and tray.
HEIGHT heighth --- height ----- No TH on the end.
HUMAN YOO-man ----- HYOO-man
NUCLEAR NOO-kyuh-lur ---- NYOO-klee-ur or NOO-klee-ur
KILN kiln --- kil --- The N is silent.
OFTEN AHF-ten --- AHF-en --- The T is silent.
PIANIST PEE-uh-nist --- pee-AN-ist --- PEE-uh-nist is the put-on, snobby way to say it.
USURP OO-surp ---- yoo-ZURP
VICE-VERSA vice-versa ------- VY-suh VUR-suh ---- Each word has two syllables.

''WORD: SHOULD BE: SHOULD NOT BE:
Quote-''AGAIN - uh-GEN ---- uh-GAYN
BECAUSE - bi-KAWS ---- bi-KAWSS, bi-KUZ
CAMERA - cam-er-a ---- cam-ra ---- The word has three syllables.
CAUGHT - kawt ---- kaht
CARRY - KÆR-ee ---- KEHR-ee ----- ''carry'' has the ''a'' sound in ''cat''. It shouldn't sound like ''Kerry''.
CORE - kohr ---- kawr
CURRY - KUHR-ee ---- KUR-ee ---- ''curry'' rhymes with ''hurry'', not
''furry''.
DIAMOND - die-uh-mund ---- die-mund
DICTIONARY - dic-shun-erry ---- dic-shun-airy
DOG - dahg ---- dawg
DUE - dyoo ---- doo
ENVELOPE - ON-vuh-lope ---- EN-vuh-lope
EXIT - EG-zit ---- EK-sit
FAIRY - FAIR-ee ---- FEHR-ee
FEBRUARY - feb-ryoo-erry ---- feb-yoo-erry ---- Both r's are pronounced.
FERRY - FEHR-ee ---- FAIR-ee
FOREST - FAHR-ist ---- FAWR-ist
FROG - frahg ---- frawg
HOARSE - hohrse ---- hawrse ---- It has an ''oh'' sound in it. It
shouldn't sound like ''horse''.
Horrible - HAR-ible ---- HAWR-ible
INTERESTING - int-er-est-ing ---- in-trist-ing ---- It's interesting how often people mispronounce this word.
MERRY - MEHR-ee ---- MAIR-ee
LUTE - lyoot ---- loot
MIRROR - MIHR-er ---- MEER-er
MOOR - moohr ---- more
NEW - nyoo ---- noo
OR - awr ---- ahr
OAR - ohr ---- awr
POOR - poohr ---- pore ---- It has an ''ooh'' sound in it. It shouldn't sound
like ''pore''.
RESUME - ri-ZYOOM ---- ri-ZOOM
RUDE - ryood ---- rood
RULE - ryool ---- rool
SERIOUS - SEER-ee-us ---- SIHR-ee-us
SUIT - syoot ---- soot
SUPER - syooper ---- sooper
THOUGHT - thawt ---- thaht
TUBE - tyoob ---- toob
TUNE - tyoon ---- toon
WHEN - hwen ---- wen
WHILE - hwile ---- wile''


''For more examples, see "There Is No Zoo in Zoology," by Charles Harrington Elster, published by Collier Books MacMillan Publishing.''

''As much as it pains me to say it, this is an uphill battle, and one that probably won't be won. After all, over the past dozen centuries the proper pronunciation of many English words has changed. Just think ... in the year 2525, if someone says kum-POOT-er instead of kum-PYOOT-er, you probably won't even bat an eyelash.''


A lot of the examples Mr Knowalot (or perhaps Mr Knowssodall) gives, sound to me very much like the pronunciations of regional, specifically American, dialects: Dog/dawg, Forest/Fawr-est, Carry/kehr-ee. Which he claims to find 'quite interesting' before going on to pour scorn on them.
Mr Really-ought-to-get-out-more should check his own rools before being so rood and HAWR-ible.
Kirk   Thu Jul 28, 2005 3:32 am GMT
"Bill" is that you, SpaceFlight?
Bill   Thu Jul 28, 2005 4:14 am GMT
no.
FireFox   Thu Jul 28, 2005 4:26 am GMT
Interesting that Perfesser Knobalot prefers NYOO to NOO-- except in nuclear, where he's prepared to accept NOO as long as the rest of nuclear is pronounced right.

That's because if you do pronounce new with the y-upglide before soft vowels, correctly pronouncing nuclear is a very challenging tongue-twister. That's why speakers of Southern AE get it wrong more often than yankees!

It's like "redleather-yellowleather," which the tongue tires of pronouncing, alternately pressing against the hard alveloar and soft uvular tissue in such hurried succession. The moving mouthparts would rather hit the same spot rather than switch at all, hence the difficulty of [nw] and resultant pronunciations like samwich.

Noo-clee is easy, but if the tongue has to touch the hard tissue just behind the upper incisors (alveolum) for N, then touch the soft uvular tissue at the rear of the roof of the mouth with the back of the tongue for the Y (because of NYOO instead of NOO), then it tends to rebel at all that work-- and display of coordination skills it may simply lack.

The mouth can say Noo-Clee, but not Nyoo-Cl*ee, (*not when the Southern dialect wants a y-upglide after the C as well)-- the liquidity of the L isn't enough to stand between that C and the soft-vowel EE sound.

Can you say NYOO-CyLEE-ar? Or NYOO-CLyEE-ar? Carter gave it an honest effort and ended up swallowing the L altogether, which to most ears sounded like he omitted it from the world. I don't see it as "dumber" for a Southerner to just give up and say NYOO-Kyoo-ler. The NOO alternative sounds too yankee.
Kirk   Thu Jul 28, 2005 4:49 am GMT
One reason for the /nukj@l@r/ pronunciation is that it's in analogy with other words with /kj@/ or /kju/ such as "binocular" or "ridiculous." However, I myself don't find it hard to pronounce it /nukli@r/, which is how I do pronounce it. While /nukj@l@r/ may be stigmatized in some circles, the way it got to be is not revolutionary--words like this change all the time in languages thru analogy with other words. English is no exception. For example, the Old English word "cuðe" ("could") once lay in contrast in structure with Old English "wolde" ("would") and "sceolde" ("should"), but the vowel in modern "could" eventually changed to line up with the vowel in modern "would" and "should," in analogy with those words, even tho that was not "could"'s traditional form. If "could" had continued on and not been reanalyzed, its expected form in modern English would be pronounced /kaud/ or maybe /kVd/, I believe.
Space   Thu Jul 28, 2005 4:51 am GMT
<<Can you say NYOO-CyLEE-ar? Or NYOO-CLyEE-ar?>>

No, but neither can I say NOO-Cylee-ar? Or NYOO-ClyEE? How can someone manage to pronounce a cluster like /kjl/ or /klj/ at all? I can't.
SpaceFlight   Thu Jul 28, 2005 4:53 am GMT
I accidentally left out the ''Flight'' in my name above, before I pushed the send button.
SpaceFlight   Thu Jul 28, 2005 4:56 am GMT
''No, but neither can I say NOO-Cylee-ar? Or NYOO-ClyEE?'' Typo



''No, but neither can I say NOO-Cylee-ar? Or NOO-ClyEE?'' How can someone manage to pronounce a cluster like /kjl/ or /klj/ at all? I can't. I've never attempted to pronounce a /kjl/ or /klj/ before. Is it even possible?