mort= dead!

Hannah   Tue Apr 18, 2006 9:11 pm GMT
in many Indo-European languages dead means something starting with -mor. Why doesn't english have a related word for "dead"?

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Latin languages mort (death) as in mortal, mortician, immortal etc.
Kurdish mirdu (dead)
Welsh marw (dead)
confused   Tue Apr 18, 2006 9:45 pm GMT
We do... you just mentioned it yourself.

Mortal - able to die.
Hannah   Tue Apr 18, 2006 9:58 pm GMT
Mortal is derived from French. Not really english.
Guest   Tue Apr 18, 2006 10:33 pm GMT
" Why doesn't english have a related word for "dead"? "

Because english is a germanic language.
JakubikF   Wed Apr 19, 2006 2:35 pm GMT
I think that word is quite popular. Even in Polish we have:
mord - murder
morderstwo - murder but as a crime
mordować - to murder
morderca (male) - murderer

However they begin from mor- we have absolutely another group of words for "death", "die":
umrzeć (perfective) - to die
umierać (imperfective) - to die
umarli (plural) - the dead
and suprise:
śmierć - a death
Ed   Wed Apr 19, 2006 3:12 pm GMT
In Afrikaans 'dead' is 'dood', 'to die' is 'sterf' - a cognate of the English 'starve'.
confused   Wed Apr 19, 2006 9:25 pm GMT
>>Mortal is derived from French. Not really english.<<

Ye but we use it in English and we understand it as an english word even if we don't speak French, so it's english. Anyway if we got rid of all the 'foreign' words in english we wouldn't have many words left!
greg   Wed Apr 19, 2006 11:52 pm GMT
confused : c'est vrai ! En particulier pour <foreign>...
confused   Thu Apr 20, 2006 1:09 pm GMT
Yep. Even the word "Foreign" is a mix of Middle English, Old French and Latin.
Ed   Thu Apr 20, 2006 2:43 pm GMT
I think you are being Romance-centric in saying 'many indo-european languages'. If you look at some Germanic languages they are rather similar:-

Afrikaans: dood
Dutch: dood
English: dead
German: Tod

Maybe someone could tell us what it is in Danish, Icelandic, Norwegian and Swedish? I suspect the words would be of the same root.
Mitch   Fri Apr 21, 2006 6:11 am GMT
Danish: død
Icelandic: dauður
Norwegian: død
Swedish: död

Also--Yiddish (transliterated): toyt
suomalainen   Fri Apr 21, 2006 3:40 pm GMT
The Finnish word 'tauti' is an ancient German borrowing (cfr. Icelandic 'daudhur') but it means 'disease'. Well, previously disease very often meant death.
The word for 'to die/death/dead' are in Finno-Ugric languages totally different from the Indo-European languages: in Finnish 'kuolla-kuolema-kuollut', in Estonian 'surema-surm-surnud', in (Northern) Saami 'jápmit-jápmim-jápmán', in Hungarian 'hal-halál-holt' (from same origin as Finnish 'kuollut'; in Hungarian 'k' has changed into 'h' in certain positions').
Still, the name of November is in Finnish 'marraskuu' (kuu = month, moon; in Finnish we don´t use international month names). 'Marras' comes from the same root as English 'mortal' (in ancient Indian 'martah'). Thus, November has been the 'month of death' for Finns.
Ed   Sat Apr 22, 2006 12:29 am GMT
Thanks Mitch, I thought so, English isn't the odd one out after all.
greg   Sat Apr 22, 2006 4:39 am GMT
confused : je crois plutôt que c'est un mot 100 % ancien français.
confused   Sat Apr 22, 2006 6:29 pm GMT
Greg:[Middle English forein, from Old French forain, from Late Latin forānus, on the outside, from Latin forās, outside.]