Ayazid
««As for the shorteing of vowels, I didn´t mean Cabo Verdian Ciroulo language, but for example Angolak Portuguese. In my Portuguese textbook is an article spoken by Angolan and he speaks considerably clearly compared to Portuguese speakers. Also the authors of the book point this fact out.»»
What do you mean by clearly? The pronunciation of the vowels as in what language? You talk like someone that already speaks a romance language and wants to understand Portuguese without much effort.
The “clear” language, as you say, does not mean a thing for someone that does not speak Portuguese. For someone that is learning Portuguese it also does not make any sense because he will learn anything that he is taught. Before learning nothing is clear… or understandable.
Accent or “clarity” is something you learn. And Portuguese is a fascinating language also because of the many different accents.
Ayazid
««In my Portuguese textbook is an article spoken by Angolan and he speaks considerably clearly compared to Portuguese speakers.»»
Angolans use the EuPortuguese standard and it is much closer to Euportuguese than to BrPortuguese. The accent is influenced by native languages like kimbundu (Bantu).They speak a melodic slow Portuguese but different from BrPortuguese. Of course the Brazilian version was much influenced by these native languages brought by slaves. But you do not expect everybody to have the same accent even in Angola.
Ayazid
««As for your European Portuguese, maybe it´s not so ugly, it would be an exaggeration to say it so plainly, but I prefere rather Brazilian pronuciation.»»
To prefer is one thing to say it is ugly is something completely different. I can tell you most people I know think that BrPortuguese sounds ok when spoken by a woman but too girlish for a man because of the annoying mushy, mushy rhythm. But you do not find me saying that in every post I write.
Rick
««U can bash whatever u want about the fact that European Portuguese its ugly and all other portuguese varieties are better, but we do all understand each other.»»
If I were you I would not bother with personal opinions.
Ayazid will have to avoid words like chaves, chuveiro, chuva , chama, chamine, xuxa, all with sh sh sh sound. In Portugal only kids in first grade pronounce all the vowels while reading (in very slow reading) and it is only for a very basic stage of learning to read.
And I like the sound of Slavic languages as well as Arab. So what for someone may be ugly for others may be beautiful.
There is a Brazilian saying "o que seria do amarelo se todos gostassem só do azul".
Rick
««well, as a portuguese i also prefer the brazilian variety as its exotic and sexier then the european one,»»
You are the first Portuguese that I hear saying that prefers the Brazilian variety. I know many guys that would not be caught alive speaking with such a mushy accent. Unless they were a woman.
««As for the shorteing of vowels, I didn´t mean Cabo Verdian Ciroulo language, but for example Angolak Portuguese. In my Portuguese textbook is an article spoken by Angolan and he speaks considerably clearly compared to Portuguese speakers. Also the authors of the book point this fact out.»»
What do you mean by clearly? The pronunciation of the vowels as in what language? You talk like someone that already speaks a romance language and wants to understand Portuguese without much effort.
The “clear” language, as you say, does not mean a thing for someone that does not speak Portuguese. For someone that is learning Portuguese it also does not make any sense because he will learn anything that he is taught. Before learning nothing is clear… or understandable.
Accent or “clarity” is something you learn. And Portuguese is a fascinating language also because of the many different accents.
Ayazid
««In my Portuguese textbook is an article spoken by Angolan and he speaks considerably clearly compared to Portuguese speakers.»»
Angolans use the EuPortuguese standard and it is much closer to Euportuguese than to BrPortuguese. The accent is influenced by native languages like kimbundu (Bantu).They speak a melodic slow Portuguese but different from BrPortuguese. Of course the Brazilian version was much influenced by these native languages brought by slaves. But you do not expect everybody to have the same accent even in Angola.
Ayazid
««As for your European Portuguese, maybe it´s not so ugly, it would be an exaggeration to say it so plainly, but I prefere rather Brazilian pronuciation.»»
To prefer is one thing to say it is ugly is something completely different. I can tell you most people I know think that BrPortuguese sounds ok when spoken by a woman but too girlish for a man because of the annoying mushy, mushy rhythm. But you do not find me saying that in every post I write.
Rick
««U can bash whatever u want about the fact that European Portuguese its ugly and all other portuguese varieties are better, but we do all understand each other.»»
If I were you I would not bother with personal opinions.
Ayazid will have to avoid words like chaves, chuveiro, chuva , chama, chamine, xuxa, all with sh sh sh sound. In Portugal only kids in first grade pronounce all the vowels while reading (in very slow reading) and it is only for a very basic stage of learning to read.
And I like the sound of Slavic languages as well as Arab. So what for someone may be ugly for others may be beautiful.
There is a Brazilian saying "o que seria do amarelo se todos gostassem só do azul".
Rick
««well, as a portuguese i also prefer the brazilian variety as its exotic and sexier then the european one,»»
You are the first Portuguese that I hear saying that prefers the Brazilian variety. I know many guys that would not be caught alive speaking with such a mushy accent. Unless they were a woman.