spanish,french, english

Guest3   Sat Oct 15, 2005 11:59 am GMT
"On ne sait pas si le mot français est d'origine néerlandais ou anglo-saxonne."


"ETYMOLOGY: CanadianLouisiana French, from French, boat, from Old French batel, from Old English bat "
http://www.bartleby.com/61/4/B0110400.html
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/bateau
http://yahooligans.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry?id=b0110400
http://www.seslisozluk.com/?word=bateau


"Le terme générique bateau (XIIe s., de l’anglo-normand bat, racine de
boat) est sans aucun doute le plus commun."
http://www.langue-francaise.org/Articles_revue_216.php

"Voici cette fois un véritable anglicisme : bateau (du vieil anglais bat, cf. boat). "
http://www.eleves.ens.fr/home/ollivier/etymo/anglicismes.html.fr
bernard   Sat Oct 15, 2005 12:06 pm GMT
Knowing english helped me a lot to understand things was I went to Netherlands and to Germany. The basic words are similar and the words assiciation seems to work the same way.

"Uit" in Netherlands motorways, I understood to be a cognate with "Out".
"Wasser" for "Water" in Germany.
In English the main problem with words of latin/french words is that they often don't have the same meaning than in the romance languages and are very few used in the oral/street language. I can understand much better an scientific, sociological text in English than the people in shops.
Sander   Sat Oct 15, 2005 12:15 pm GMT
http://www.answers.com/topic/old-french

Frankish:

The Frankish language had a much larger impact on the vocabulary of Old French as a result of the Frankish conquest of much of the territory of modern France by the Franks during the time of the Volkerwanderung of the Germanic tribes. The current and older names of the language, français, derives from the name of the Franks. A number of other Germanic peoples, including the Burgundians, were active in the territory at that time; the Germanic languages spoken by the Franks, Burgundians, and others were not written languages, and at this remove it is often difficult to identify from which specific Germanic source a given Germanic word in French is derived. Philologists estimate that perhaps fifteen percent of the vocabulary of modern French derives from Germanic sources; this vocabulary includes a large number of common words like haïr, "to hate"; bateau, "boat", and hache, "axe", all derive from Germanic sources. It has been suggested that the passé composé and other compound verbs used in French conjugation are also the result of Germanic influences.


This is what I'm talking about.
Guest   Sat Oct 15, 2005 1:09 pm GMT
"bateau, "boat", and hache, "axe", all derive from Germanic sources.

Old English is the Germanic source.

I don't see Dutch (as in Dutch loanword) mentioned in that copy and paste.
Sander   Sat Oct 15, 2005 1:11 pm GMT
=>I don't see Dutch (as in Dutch loanword) mentioned in that copy and paste. <=

What do you think, is Dutch' direct ancestor? Or in other words, who are the modern Franks?
Guest   Sat Oct 15, 2005 1:21 pm GMT
French does not have any dutch influences, iNpossible (grammEr from Sander our teacher).

lol
Guest   Sat Oct 15, 2005 1:41 pm GMT
Who cares. All that matters is that "bateau" comes from OE.
Sander   Sat Oct 15, 2005 1:49 pm GMT
It doesn't PUNT UIT
Guest2   Sat Oct 15, 2005 1:57 pm GMT
Dutch is Dutch. The Franks weren't the Dutch of Netherlands.
Sander   Sat Oct 15, 2005 1:58 pm GMT
Indeed, just like the French are French and not Latins.
Guest   Sat Oct 15, 2005 2:00 pm GMT
Well it doesn't come from Dutch. PERIOD. OUT.
Sander   Sat Oct 15, 2005 2:06 pm GMT
It does. Discussion closed.

No more reactions on my behalf.
Guest   Sat Oct 15, 2005 2:49 pm GMT
It doesn't. Discussion closed.

More reactions available on my behalf.
Guest   Sat Oct 15, 2005 6:17 pm GMT
Discussion is closed as yo wish, but it DOES NOT!
Candy   Sat Oct 15, 2005 6:36 pm GMT
<<Discussion is closed as yo wish, but it DOES NOT! >>

It does not times infinity. It does not times infinity plus one. Children, children! :-)