French surnames

LAA   Sun Jul 16, 2006 11:40 pm GMT
My paternal grandmother's maiden name was "Colbert". (with a silent 't')

It is well known that this is a French surname. One famous individual with this name, was King Louis XIV, aka, "The Sun King" 's treasurer, who was in control of Royal finances and France's economic policy.

I always assumed it was of Gallo-Roman origin. But, I discovered that it is actually of Germanic origin, most likely of Frankish origin.

Many Frankish names ended in "-bert", such as "Childebert". The Frankish settlement of Gaul was significant enough to pass on Germanic names to the French people 1500 years later.
fab   Mon Jul 17, 2006 12:35 am GMT
Lo mismo ocurre con los appellidos Espanoles los mas famosos son de origen germana y no latina :

LANDEROS
RAMÍREZ
GUTIÉRREZ
MARTÍNEZ
CERVANTES
GODÍNEZ
TORRES
GUZMÁN
ARMENDÁRIZ
LÓPEZ
MÉNDEZ
TÉLLEZ
SÁNCHEZ
ESPEJEL
ESTRADA
MONDRAGÓN
etc. son de origen germanica tambien


Sitio interessante :
http://veneno.com/1997/v-4/migu-04.html
fab   Mon Jul 17, 2006 12:40 am GMT
ÁLVAREZ
BERMÚDEZ
BERNÁRDEZ
ENRÍQUEZ
FERNÁNDEZ
HERNÁNDEZ
RODRÍGUEZ


Son tambien de origen Germanica
LAA   Mon Jul 17, 2006 12:49 am GMT
Si, usted sabe nombres mas franceses que esten de origen germanico?

Apparently, the Germanic invasions significantly impacted the local populations of Western Europe. This is one of the reasons the height differential between Mediterranean Europeans and northern Europeans has diminished so much more since Roman times.
*CaRLoS*   Mon Jul 17, 2006 12:54 am GMT
LAA, were the Romans tall/normal/short?
*CaRLoS*   Mon Jul 17, 2006 12:54 am GMT
LAA, were the Romans tall/normal/short?
*CaRLoS*   Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:00 am GMT
APELLIDOS ESPAÑOLES DE ORIGEN PORTUGUÉS

APELLIDO PRONUNCIACIÓN FIGURADA SIGNIFICADO
ALMEIDA ALMEIDA Limera
COELHO COELLO Conejo
ESTRADA ESHTRADA Camino
FERREIRA FERREIRA Pez
MACHADO MACHADU Hacha
PEREIRA PEREIRA Peral
SERRA SERRA Sierra
APONTE APONTE El Puente

APELLIDOS ESPAÑOLES DE ORIGEN GRIEGO

APELLIDO DISECCIÓN SIGNIFICADO
DELGADO DEIL/GADUS pez diablo
SALGADO SAL/GADUS pez de agua salada

APELLIDOS ESPAÑOLES DE ORIGEN FRANCÉS

APELLIDO SIGNIFICADO
MONROY mi rey
GALLARDO Castillo
LAA   Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:10 am GMT
The Romans of Italic origin, and virtually all of the people within the Roman Empire, aside from the Northern provinces like Gaul and Britain, were very short in comparision to the Germanic peoples.

Numerous, NUMEROUS accounts in antiquity make reference to the difference in height of the northern peoples.

Caesar mentions the Gauls under siege mocking the Romans for their small size and built.

The Emperor Julian spoke of a Centurion who escaped the destruction of a Roman town by the Allemani, who said that in an attempt to intimidate the local inhabitants into surrender, the Germans began catapaulting their dead's head over the city's ramparts. The Roman inhabitants knew that they were the heads of the enemy dead, and not the Roman dead, because of their blonde and red mustaches.

The Germans were always described as being much taller and bigger built than the Mediterranean Romans.

Archaeological research suggests that the average height of the Roman leigionare was 5'4, with a small body frame, while the average height of the German warrior was 5'8, with a larger body frame.

This is consistant with the descriptions of antiquity.

Julius Caesar, who was himself 5'6, was considered tall by Roman standards.

The Census conducted during the time of Augustus revealed that 98% of the Roman army was of Italian origin. The height average was, not coincedentally, 5'4.

In the 4th century, when most of the legions were made up of Barbarian mercaneries imported from outside the Roman Empire, or from distant provinces, the height average increased to 5'7.
*CaRLoS*   Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:15 am GMT
The theory drew on the dominant anthropological model of racial categories prevalent in the early twentieth century, according to which Europeans were divided into three sub-categories of the Caucasian race: the Nordic, Alpine and Mediterranean races.

The Nordic race was thought to be prevalent in northern Europe, especially, but not exclusively, among speakers of the Germanic languages, and was characterized by tall stature, long head- and facial form, straight and fine blond, red, or light brown hair, and blue, grey or green eyes.


The Alpine race was thought to predominate in central Europe, and was said to be characterized by short stature and comparatively round head.


The Mediterranean race was thought to be prevalent in southern Europe and, sometimes, parts of North Africa, and was said to be characterised by dark hair, dark eyes, swarthy complexion, moderate-to-short stature, and long shape of skull.
LAA   Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:37 am GMT
During Caesar's day, the Celts of Gaul described the Germans accross the Rhine as being frightening in appearance, because of their savagery. It was said that they were slightly taller than the Celts, with a higher frequency of blonde hair.

The Germanic peoples who invaded celtic lands called some of the Celts "silkies", because some of them had darker eyes and hair. The Vikings called some of the inhabitants of Celtic lands, "Black Celts", not because of their skin, but because of their eyes and hair.

Catherine Zetta Jones is a modern day example of a "Black Celt". She is Welsh, and she has dark hair and dark eyes.

Because of nearly two centuries of mixing, the differences between northern Europeans and southern Europeans have diminished over time.

But even in modern day Celtic lands like the Scottish Highlands, and Wales, have an average height figure that is lower than England, and other Germanic countries.

The people of Scandanavia are as "pure" Germanic as is possible, not withstanding a degree of mixing in pre-historic times. They have the highest frequency of light features, like blonde hair, and very light eyes, and they are also some of the tallest people in Europe.
Beanie hill   Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:48 am GMT
LAA, that's true.
Mr Bean   Mon Jul 17, 2006 7:24 am GMT
Beanie hill,


I agree with you, LAA is right. What he forgot to mention is that his brain is one of the smallest in the world.
Sigma   Mon Jul 17, 2006 12:41 pm GMT
Un par de apellidos Españoles de Origen Francés:

Borbón (Bourbon)
Del Monte
Del Valle
Coudeville
Del Lago
Laforet, Minué, Duval, Cabarrús
Franco

Y muchos más.
LAA   Mon Jul 17, 2006 5:55 pm GMT
My surname is Teran, and it's Spanish, but it looks an awful lot like a French name. Duran is another example. Many Hispanic people have the last name of Duran, and it is pronounced in the Spanish way. But, I've heard that it is actually a French surname, which I could easily see. It's a flat name, and if you pronounce it in the French way, it could easily be a French name.
Latin Euro   Mon Jul 17, 2006 6:05 pm GMT
LAA,


you seem to be an expert of french, what i doubt you are...