Celtic languages

Gavin   Fri Jun 15, 2007 3:32 pm GMT
I think you will find that Celtic languages have a lot to offer the world. I have been learning Irish for about a year now and I really enjoy it.

There are many things that can be said about Celtic languages, but I think the first thing that has to be said about them is that there are not many speakers. So in other words, they are not a language that if you learn, you are going to be able to visit Ireland, Scotland, and Wales and just strike up a conversation with just any person. So if you want to learn a language with the intention of speaking it with someone some day...I would think strongly about learning a language with more speakers.

There are six languages to this family, but only three are still spoken by small groups, Irish (Gaeilge), Scottish (Gàidhlig), and Welsh (Cymraeg).

Welsh is the strongest of the Celtic languages with an estimated 500-600,000 native/fluent speakers. They like to call it "the language of heaven." While English is spoken by everyone there, if you go to the Northern parts of the land you will find that you can go for days there without hearing a single English word spoken. The good news is that Welsh is gaining a little popularity in Wales as the numbers are starting to go up, but the country will never be all Welsh speaking.

Irish is the second strongest but you have to be careful with it. If you look at the numbers they claim about 1.5 million people speak the language but this is not true. In fact, the current estimate of native/fluent speakers to be around 75-100,000 people. Even in the gaeltachts (Irish speaking areas) the numbers are very low. Most people have many years of the language in school, but they take it as a foreign language study just like any other language...the only difference is this class is mandatory. Politics and personal prejudices can get in the way of this language so one has to be ready to deal with a lot of arguments when they want to learn Irish.

Scottish Gaelic or Gàidhlig is really on the down slope. The last numbers showed around 45-60,000 native/fluent speakers. I hate to say it, but I don't see this language lasting very long. :0(

Celtic languages have a lot of linguistic diversity to add to the world, but there are certain features that can make them difficult for some people.
Guest   Fri Jun 15, 2007 6:57 pm GMT
Breton is the original celtic, the most closer to Briton.
Gavin   Fri Jun 15, 2007 11:20 pm GMT
Actually...I left out Breton for a reason.

Breton like Irish has a serious numbers problem. While there is a claim that it is being spoken by over a million people, recent studies have given a much lower estimate with about 450,000 native/fluent speakers.

And like Irish, Breton is becoming more of a political subject as the people are pushing to give it an official status in France. Without getting too political here, some people say that when they refused to change the constitution to acknowledge Breton, they may have sent the language on the same slope to extinction that Scottish Gaelic has been on.

But the main reason I choose to leave Breton out was that it has a much smaller region of usage for a person. While a speaker of Irish, Welsh, and Scottish are limited to Ireland, Wales, and Scotland (for the most part)...speakers of Breton are limited to a very small region of France. Once a speaker strays from Brittany, it's hello French.

Now I know one could say that about Scottish Gaelic in Scotland...but Irish and Welsh are recognized throughout their countries.
A-S   Sat Jun 16, 2007 10:31 am GMT
<<speakers of Breton are limited to a very small region of France.>>

The region of Breton speakers is bigger than Brittany, There are Bretons in the Loire-Atlantic region, among which the big city of Nantes (Naoned), unmistakably a Breton city.

Gavin, hear that to undestand the political situation (Try yann group, Breton speakers of Nantes):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOY6BsKyGg4

<<speakers of Breton are limited to a very small region of France. >>

Not as much as the scottish Gàidhlig (60,000 speakers)... the Scot language is a germanic language.
Adam   Sat Jun 16, 2007 12:37 pm GMT
There are several Celtic languages that are, or were, spoken in the British Isles, including Scottish Gaelic, Irish Gaelic, Welsh, Cornish, Manx and Cumbric.

Cornish and Manx are virtually extincy, and Cumbric has been gone for centuries.

Manx is spoken on the Isle of Man, a British Crown dependancy in the Irish Sea between Britain and the Republic of Ireland.

All of the Celtic languages in the British Isles are divided into two genders - masculine and feminine. Except Manx which is divided into masculine, feminine and common.

Akll of the British Celtic languages have definite articles but no indefinite articles.

In Welsh, the definite article does not match gender and number as it does in other languages such as French. Instead it is always "Y" for nouns beginning with a consonant, "yr" for nouns beginning with a vowel, and " 'r " goes onto the END of words that end in a consonant and when the next one begins with a vowel.

In Manx, the definite articles are "y" and "yn."

Yn is used before words beginning with vowels, whether radical or in construction; as "yn oural", "the sacrifice", "shoh boteil yn ooill millish", "this is the bottle of sweet oil." But it is often substituted in the place of the article y even before consonants.

The article yn before all nouns beginning with a vowel transfers, in pronunciation, the final n to the following vowel; as "yn agh", "the horse", which is pronounced as if written yn nagh: "yn ollagh", "the cattle", pronounced yn nollagh. Like Welsh, it doesm't matter whether a noun is masculine, feminine or common. The articles do not coincide with gender.

In Manx, the articles are also declined -



Plural.

Nom.
Singular - Y or yn, masc. and fem.
Plural - Ny, masc. and fem.

Gen.
Singular - Y or yn, masc. ny, fem.
Plural - Ny.

Dat.
Singular - Da 'n,
Plural - Da ny,

Acc.
Singular - Y or yn,
Plural - Ny,

Voc.
Singular - Y or o,
Plural - Y or o,

Abl.
Singular/plural - Gyn.
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In Scottish Gaelic, the definite article is "an", "am", "a' " and "an t-".

MASCULINE

An t- goes before vowels.

Am goes before nouns beginning with b,m,f,p.

An goes elsewhere.
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FEMININE

A' goes before nouns beginning with b,c,g,m,p

An (with the following word lenited) goes before words beginning with f.

An t- goes before s+vowel, sl, sn, sr

An goes elsewhere
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Cornish, a Celtic language native to England, is probably slightly more difficult to learn than Welsh and Irish as it has, for example, four types of mutation, compared to three in Welsh and two in Irish. I'm not sure about Manx or Scottish.


The definite article in Cornish is "an" and "a' ".

Again, there is no indefinite article.

Y'n - in the
Ha'n - and the
An vyrgh - the daughter
An dre - the town
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Phrases

CORNISH

Good day - Dydh da
Good morning - Myttin da
How are you? - Fatla genes?
I am well thank you - Yn poynt da, meur ras.
What do you want to drink? - Pandra vynn'ta dh'y eva?
Pint of beer please. - Pinta korev marpleg.
Do you want something to eat? - A vynn'ta kavoes neppyth dh'y dhybri?
Where is the toilet? - Ple'ma an bysva?
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MANX

However black the raven, will find he a mate - Myr s'doo yn feeagh yiow eh sheshey.

The water is boiling - Ta'n ushtey cloie.

When one poor man helps man poor another, God himself laughs -Tra ta un dooinney boght cooney lesh dooinney boght elley, ta Jee hone garaghtee

"And what is glory, but the radiance of a name,--
A name! which, as a vapour, blows unheeded by?
This is the people's praise, if praise it be.
For what is the people? An entangled skein,--
A fickle mob, who greatly prize
Things vain and worthless

("As cre ta gloyr, agh aalid ennym vie,--
Ennym! ta myr y ghall ta sheidey shaghey?
Shoh moylley'n pobble, my she moylley shen.
Son cre ta'n pobble, agh yurnaag anreaghit,--
Earroo neuchinjagh, ta son jannoo mooar
Jeh nheeghyn eddrym nagh vel toilchin scansh")
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WELSH

The Red Dragon will show the way - Y Ddraig Goch ddyry gychwyn

How are you? - Sut ydych chi?

My goodness, what magnificent sheep! - Wel, dyma i chi ddefaid da!

The English are musically challenged - Dydy'r Saeson ddim yn gallu canu'n dda

I must leave now but if you are ever in England my home and all its contents are at your disposal! - Rhaid i mi fynd nawr, ond os byddwch yn Lloegr rywbryd, bydd croeso cynnes i chi yn fy nghartref!
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SCOTTISH GAELIC

I want to learn Gaelic - Tha mi airson Gàidhlig ionnsachadh."

"Who was that sheep I saw you with last night?" - "Cò an caora sin còmhla riut a chunnaic mi an-raoir?"

"That was no sheep. That was my spouse!" - "Cha b'e sin caora, 'se sin mo chèile a bha innte!"

"I would like to have breakfast" - "Bu toigh leam bracaist a ghabhail."
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IRISH GAELIC

The weather was wet and windy this morning - Bhi an aimsir fliuch agus gaofar ar maidin

It takes time to build castles! - De reir a cheile a thogtar na caisleain!

The bed is cold, soft, rough, dirty, broken - Ta an leaba fuar, bhog, garbh, salach, briste

Do you have any brothers or sisters? - An bhfuil dearthaireacha agus deirfiuracha agat

A prosperous new year to you! - Athbhliain faoi mhaise dhuit!

Wine lets out the truth - Scileann fíon fírinne.
Guest   Sat Jun 16, 2007 2:36 pm GMT
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