With the "l" or without? Is it a regional or idiolectal thing?
How do you pronounce "palm"
I pronounce it without the "L" - in other words, as ["p_hAm].
<<Is it a regional or idiolectal thing?>>
Maybe a little of both. ;-) Just from my own observation, if I had to hazard a guess, I'd say that the with-L pronunciation might be more common in the Midwest than, say, up here in the Northeast.
<<Is it a regional or idiolectal thing?>>
Maybe a little of both. ;-) Just from my own observation, if I had to hazard a guess, I'd say that the with-L pronunciation might be more common in the Midwest than, say, up here in the Northeast.
Oh is that so? I thought every English speaker pronounced it with a mute L. So if I pronounce the "L", would that be allright then??
Pete
Pete
>> Oh is that so? I thought every English speaker pronounced it with a mute L. So if I pronounce the "L", would that be allright then?? <<
I certainly pronounce it with the "l". That's the predominant pronunciation in the Northwest. I associate the l-less pronunciation with Southwesterners.
I certainly pronounce it with the "l". That's the predominant pronunciation in the Northwest. I associate the l-less pronunciation with Southwesterners.
<<I associate the l-less pronunciation with Southwesterners.>>
So, there are places in America where they do pronounce the "l" in "palm". Well I didn't know that. Anyway now... I don't think I have heard people from other speaking countries pronounce the "l"... So I guess this might be a characteristic of some North American accents only... Please correct me if I'm wrong...
Pete from Peru
So, there are places in America where they do pronounce the "l" in "palm". Well I didn't know that. Anyway now... I don't think I have heard people from other speaking countries pronounce the "l"... So I guess this might be a characteristic of some North American accents only... Please correct me if I'm wrong...
Pete from Peru
>> So I guess this might be a characteristic of some North American accents only... Please correct me if I'm wrong...
Pete from Peru <<
Yeah, who knows, knowing how these things go, I'll probably be the odd person out--probably every other region in North America pronounces it without the "l". It never ceases to amaze me how the Northwest accent seems to differ from the rest of the country so markedly in the pronunciation of so many of the commonest words, but lacks a chain vowel shift, or other unusual phenomenon that other dialects seem to have like the Northern accent or the Southwestern accent.
Pete from Peru <<
Yeah, who knows, knowing how these things go, I'll probably be the odd person out--probably every other region in North America pronounces it without the "l". It never ceases to amaze me how the Northwest accent seems to differ from the rest of the country so markedly in the pronunciation of so many of the commonest words, but lacks a chain vowel shift, or other unusual phenomenon that other dialects seem to have like the Northern accent or the Southwestern accent.
I myself generally say [p_hQ:U~m] unless I am speaking carefully, where then I say [p_hQ:L\m]. However, such is really a spelling pronunciation, the form actually typical of my dialect being [p_ha~:m].
>> I pronounce it "parm". I'm from London by the way. <<
Hmm. Why do you change the "l" to an "r"? Are you Japanese or something?
Hmm. Why do you change the "l" to an "r"? Are you Japanese or something?
Anyway "palm" and "parm" are pronounced the same : [pa:m] (sorry, no phonetic symbols here). Except if you do pronounce the "r".
>> Anyway "palm" and "parm" are pronounced the same : [pa:m] (sorry, no phonetic symbols here). Except if you do pronounce the "r". <<
Ah I see. Yeah, "parm" for "palm" sounds pretty horrible if you add a nice ol' rhotic r to it.
Ah I see. Yeah, "parm" for "palm" sounds pretty horrible if you add a nice ol' rhotic r to it.
I grew up in Chicago pronouncing "palm" with the 'L', but eventually dropped it after I was told that it was incorrect--a "spelling pronounciation." Same thing with the word "almond." The American dictionaries I've seen show the pronunciation without "L" as either the only choice, or as the first choice.
>>I grew up in Chicago pronouncing "palm" with the 'L', but eventually dropped it after I was told that it was incorrect--a "spelling pronounciation." Same thing with the word "almond." The American dictionaries I've seen show the pronunciation without "L" as either the only choice, or as the first choice.<<
The spelling pronunciation form ["Q:U~mI~:nd] is used for "almond" here, unlike "palm" where the non-spelling pronunciation form is most prevalent here.
The spelling pronunciation form ["Q:U~mI~:nd] is used for "almond" here, unlike "palm" where the non-spelling pronunciation form is most prevalent here.