Hour-our-are

Josh Lalonde   Mon Mar 05, 2007 5:57 pm GMT
For me, hour is [aU.@`], while 'our' and 'are' are [Ar\]. In careful or formal speech, however, I tend to pronounce 'our' the same as 'hour'. How does everyone else pronounce these?
Travis   Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:57 pm GMT
I myself have a similar pattern, where in normal speech the following applies:

"hour" : ["a:UR=:]
"our" : ["a:R] or ["A:R]
"are" : ["a:R] or ["A:R]

while in careful speech the following applies:

"hour" : ["a:UR=:]
"our" : ["a:UR=:]
"are" : ["a:R]
RedFox   Mon Mar 05, 2007 8:44 pm GMT
"hour", "our" and "are" are all different for me. "hour" has two syllables, while "our" has one and "are" has a different vowel.
Josh Lalonde   Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:05 pm GMT
I also sometimes have a monophthong for /aU/ in casual speech, so 'hour' can be [a.@`], but this is never confused with [Ar\]. RedFox, where are you from? I thought most North American accents had r-breaking, and therefore two syllables in 'our'.
Travis   Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:18 pm GMT
Mind you that r-breaking in many dialects only occurs with the diphthongs /aI/, /aU/, and /OI/, so if RedFox has a monophthong of some sort in "our" which happens to be different from that in "are", r-breaking should not be expected to occur.
Gabriel   Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:24 pm GMT
I'm a near-native speaker, and I have:
"hour" ["aU.6] or (as Josh) [a.6]
"our" [A:] or rarely ["aU.6] or [a.6]
"are" [@] if unstressed, [A:] if stressed

(as an aside, I'd initially transcribed my final schwa as ["aU.@] but I think my actual final sound is more like [6])
Jim   Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:26 pm GMT
are: /A:/ = [6:]
our: /aU/ = [{O]
hour: /aU.@/ = [{O.w@]
Travis   Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:29 pm GMT
I forgot one realization of "are" that often shows up IMD, which is simply [R=:]; however, this realization can never show up by itself, but is rather clitic-like in that it must have another word before it. Note that "our" never has this realization in any position IMD, in contrast to it.
RedFox   Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:37 pm GMT
<<RedFox, where are you from? I thought most North American accents had r-breaking, and therefore two syllables in 'our'.>>

I'm an older American (64 years old) from the Southern U.S. Yes, my "our" is monosyllabic and has a monophthong. The monophthong is something like a lengthened "bat" vowel. It sounds different from my "are".
RedFox   Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:45 pm GMT
<<I forgot one realization of "are" that often shows up IMD, which is simply [R=:]; however, this realization can never show up by itself, but is rather clitic-like in that it must have another word before it. Note that "our" never has this realization in any position IMD, in contrast to it.>>

I similarly have [r\=] for "are" in many positions. That or similar equivalents to that seem pretty much universal among English dialects.
Lazar   Tue Mar 06, 2007 3:26 am GMT
In my speech, "hour" is ["aU.@`]; and "are" is ["A@`], with the reduced form [@`].

"Our" is almost always [A@`] in my speech. (I occasionally pronounce it ["aU.@`].)