Same or Distinct

Richard   Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:06 pm GMT
State where you're from and say whether or not the following pair(s) are the same or distinct for you.

I'll start:

North Carolina

pin, pen - Same

cot, caught - Same

Mary, marry, merry - Same

will, wheel - Same

well, whale - Same
Travis   Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:13 pm GMT
I myself am from Milwaukee, WI and have:

"pin" : ["p_hI~:n]
"pen" : ["p_hE~:n]

"cot" : ["k_ha?]
"caught" : ["k_hQ?]

"Mary", "marry", "merry" : ["me:Ri:]

"will" : ["wI:M]
"wheel" : ["wi:M]

"well" : ["wE:M]
"whale" : ["we:M]

Just so no one asks what the stuff above means, it is phonetic transcription using X-SAMPA, which one can find more information about at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-SAMPA
Guest   Tue Mar 13, 2007 1:37 am GMT
California

pin, pen - Distinct

cot, caught - Same

Mary, marry, merry - Same

will, wheel - Distinct

well, whale - Distinct
O'Bruadair   Tue Mar 13, 2007 2:09 am GMT
Deep South, but not so deep I have to learn Spanish (yet)

pin, pen – Same definitely

cot, caught - definitely not

Mary, marry, merry - not (at least not to my ear, might sound the same to a yankee American)

will, wheel – not, ditto

well, whale – not, ditto

Where in NC?
Josh Lalonde   Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:16 am GMT
I'm from Ottawa, Canada and I have:

pin [pIn] or [pI~]
pen [pEn] or [pE~]

cot, caught [kA?]

Mary, marry, merry [mE@r\i]

will, wheel (usually both [wIo], but 'wheel' can be [wi.o] in more careful speech)

well, whale (usually both [wEo], but 'whale can be [we.o] as above)

It should be noted that for some Southern speakers for whom will/wheel and well/whale rhyme will still distinguish them by their first consonant.
J   Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:33 am GMT
Sorry about that last sentence. Should read:

It should be noted that for some Southern speakers for whom will/wheel and well/whale rhyme they are still distinguished by their first consonant.
zzz   Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:43 am GMT
Well, I'm from the Pacific Northwest, and like all other Westerners merry-marry-mary and cot-caught are the same. The rest are different. However, while "pin" and "pen" are quite clearly distinct [pIn], [pEn]; "win", and "when", are merged to [wIn].
Lazar   Tue Mar 13, 2007 4:39 am GMT
I'm from Massachusetts and I have:

pin ["p_hIn]
pen ["p_hEn]

cot ["k_hQ:t]
caught ["k_hQ:t]

Mary ["mE@`i]
marry ["m{r\i]
merry ["mEr\i]

will ["wI5]
wheel ["wi5]

well ["wE5]
whale ["weI5]
Jim   Tue Mar 13, 2007 4:46 am GMT
Australia - all distinct
Stephen W.   Tue Mar 13, 2007 4:20 pm GMT
Atlanta, Georgia.

pin, pen - Same /pIn/

cot, caught - Same /kAt/

Mary, marry, merry - Same /mE_rr\i/

will, wheel - Different /wIl/ vs. /wI_rl/

well, whale - Different /wEl/ vs. /wE_rl/