4th of July

Hahoo   Sun Jul 03, 2005 11:46 pm GMT
Why is it a holliday in the US?
Hahoo   Sun Jul 03, 2005 11:55 pm GMT
holiday*
Deborah   Mon Jul 04, 2005 1:04 am GMT
On July 4th, 1776, the American colonists claimed their independence from Britain.
Deborah   Mon Jul 04, 2005 3:24 am GMT
Hahoo, if we were to refer to the 4th of July as "Independence Day" (it's official name), the reason for its being a holiday would be easier to guess. But, for some reason, we tend to call it the 4th of July (and not "July 4th," which is how we normally say dates in the US today).
EU-ropean   Mon Jul 04, 2005 4:59 am GMT
"On July 4th, 1776, the American colonists claimed their independence from Britain"

Only a few...The rest were sold/absorbed during 150 years!!!
Deborah   Mon Jul 04, 2005 7:19 am GMT
EU-ropean, I don't get what you're saying. Sold by/to whom? Absorbed into what?
Alexander McLeay   Mon Jul 04, 2005 7:52 am GMT
The United States of America was not formed in its current size.

A huge lot of the modern United States were bought by the US from France (being then called the Louisiana Purchase, I think, and now comprising the bulk of central states from Montana in the NW to Louisiana in SE). Other parts were gained as the result of wars (though some parts which the US gained in this way later gained their own indepedence), whereas other portions, like Texas, asked the US to annex them.

Independence Day on 4 July 1776 only occurred for the residents of the thirteen original states.

I'm not American so I may have some details wrong, and of course I don't understand the American sensibilities and perceptions involved. Maybe that means I'm more objective, or maybe that means words in the context of American History mean something different in other contexts, I dunno.
Deborah   Mon Jul 04, 2005 8:03 am GMT
The 13 original states were British colonies, and didn't become states until after they'd become independent. By using the term "colonies," I was referring only to what became the first 13 states.

I thought EU-ropean must have meant something different by "only a few," such as the fact that some colonists were Loyalists, but then the rest of the sentence didn't make sense.
Deborah   Mon Jul 04, 2005 8:06 am GMT
Oh, my mistake -- I meant to say "American colonies" in my first post, but wrote "colonists" instead. However, "American colonists" still means the people of the 13 colonies.
Hahoo   Mon Jul 04, 2005 8:21 am GMT
I'm confused now!
if the 4th of July refers to "Independence day", then what was that holiday in June for?
Deborah   Mon Jul 04, 2005 9:06 am GMT
Was there a holiday in June? The closest I can think of is Memorial Day, which is on the last Monday in May.
Deborah   Mon Jul 04, 2005 9:08 am GMT
Sorry, I just looked up holidays in the US and came across Flag Day, which is in June. I'd forgotten about that one because you don't get a day off work or school for it, and no one I know celebrates it.
We are the borg   Mon Jul 04, 2005 1:13 pm GMT
THIS FORUM WILL BE DESTROYED AS IT IS UNWORTHY OF ASSIMILATION! RESISTANCE IS FUTILE!
Hahoo   Mon Jul 04, 2005 8:49 pm GMT
Deborah,
yeah, it was Memorial Day. and our teacher said that this year is the first time you get that day off skool.
thnx
Deborah   Mon Jul 04, 2005 8:56 pm GMT
Hahoo, it's been a long time since I was in school, but I recall that we always got Memorial Day off.