Vorrei un espresso addesso, e poi vorrei bebere un espresso con la tua mama. Lei e apasionada de algo con me. :)
What language is this?
What language is this?
Is it Espresso or Expresso?
<< There's nothing substandard about "expresso". >>
What determines what is standard isn't the dictionary, it's how many people say "expresso" and how people react when it is said. A lot of people, especially English teachers, will be annoyed by "expresso".
<< The fact English uses this word it does not mean it is an English one at all. >>
That is more or less my definition of an English word: it's used in English. A very large portion of our vocabulary is imported from other languages, but it's still English. Indeed, the word "vocabulary" itself comes from Latin, but nobody I know doubts it is an English word.
- Kef
What determines what is standard isn't the dictionary, it's how many people say "expresso" and how people react when it is said. A lot of people, especially English teachers, will be annoyed by "expresso".
<< The fact English uses this word it does not mean it is an English one at all. >>
That is more or less my definition of an English word: it's used in English. A very large portion of our vocabulary is imported from other languages, but it's still English. Indeed, the word "vocabulary" itself comes from Latin, but nobody I know doubts it is an English word.
- Kef
<Io penso che questa lingua e Italiano.>
Couldn't you just drop the subject pronoun and say "Penso che questa linqua e Italiano." ?
Couldn't you just drop the subject pronoun and say "Penso che questa linqua e Italiano." ?
<<I think it's obvious writing and spelling the imported words as the original, otherwise you won't be understood.
Why re-invent pronunciation when there is already the word?
Obviously everybody is free to speak words as evryone likes but it has no sense.>>
<<A french says Washington and not Washingtonne, an Italian says Ketchup as in English and not Ketciup because it HAS NO sense.>>
We all adapt words to better fit our languages, and this is no different. Even when we say 'espresso', we are not saying it "as the original" because several of the English sounds here are different from their Italian equivalents: /r/ for example, /o/ in some accents, etc. Change it to 'expresso' just makes it fit a little better in English, matching words like 'express'. There are no native English words that I know of with 'espr-'.
By the way, the French do say 'Washingtonne' /waSiNtOn/ for 'Washington', though of course they write it the same way as in English. And wouldn't 'ketciup' be pronounced the same as 'ketchup'?
Why re-invent pronunciation when there is already the word?
Obviously everybody is free to speak words as evryone likes but it has no sense.>>
<<A french says Washington and not Washingtonne, an Italian says Ketchup as in English and not Ketciup because it HAS NO sense.>>
We all adapt words to better fit our languages, and this is no different. Even when we say 'espresso', we are not saying it "as the original" because several of the English sounds here are different from their Italian equivalents: /r/ for example, /o/ in some accents, etc. Change it to 'expresso' just makes it fit a little better in English, matching words like 'express'. There are no native English words that I know of with 'espr-'.
By the way, the French do say 'Washingtonne' /waSiNtOn/ for 'Washington', though of course they write it the same way as in English. And wouldn't 'ketciup' be pronounced the same as 'ketchup'?
<<Couldn't you just drop the subject pronoun and say "Penso che questa linqua e Italiano." ? >>
Couldn't you just learn how to spell yourself before you try to correct someone else fucktard? It's *lingua not linqua.
Couldn't you just learn how to spell yourself before you try to correct someone else fucktard? It's *lingua not linqua.
<Couldn't you just learn how to spell yourself before you try to correct someone else fucktard? It's *lingua not linqua.>
First of all, that was a typo. Of course I know that it's spelled "lingua" and not "linqua." Second of all, I was asking a question, not trying to correct your mistake. I am trying to learn some Italian and I thought I learned that you could drop the subject pronoun, in that case "Io." Sorry for the confusion. Do you know the answer?
First of all, that was a typo. Of course I know that it's spelled "lingua" and not "linqua." Second of all, I was asking a question, not trying to correct your mistake. I am trying to learn some Italian and I thought I learned that you could drop the subject pronoun, in that case "Io." Sorry for the confusion. Do you know the answer?
<<What determines what is standard isn't the dictionary, it's how many people say "expresso" and how people react when it is said. A lot of people, especially English teachers, will be annoyed by "expresso". >>
Are you an idiot? Of course the dictionary determines what's standard. What is "standard" is determined by what accepted dictionaries and grammar guides have to say, not what an English teacher MIGHT think. Present some proof that what you say is true, or keep your moth shut. The dictionary disagrees with you, so you have to provide counter evidence, not just your own word, which could easily be a lie.
Are you an idiot? Of course the dictionary determines what's standard. What is "standard" is determined by what accepted dictionaries and grammar guides have to say, not what an English teacher MIGHT think. Present some proof that what you say is true, or keep your moth shut. The dictionary disagrees with you, so you have to provide counter evidence, not just your own word, which could easily be a lie.
"Vorrei un espresso addesso, "
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"e poi vorrei bebere un espresso con la tua mama. Lei e apasionada de algo con me. :) "
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"Io penso che questa lingua e Italiano. "
Penso che questa lingua SIA italiano
(with verbs like to think, to suppose, to believe etc. you have to use the subjunctive, in any case the 3rd person singular of the present of to be is "è" non "e" which is a conjunction, pay attention to the different pronunciation)
OK
"e poi vorrei bebere un espresso con la tua mama. Lei e apasionada de algo con me. :) "
????
"Io penso che questa lingua e Italiano. "
Penso che questa lingua SIA italiano
(with verbs like to think, to suppose, to believe etc. you have to use the subjunctive, in any case the 3rd person singular of the present of to be is "è" non "e" which is a conjunction, pay attention to the different pronunciation)
<< Are you an idiot? Of course the dictionary determines what's standard. >>
Calling me an idiot is uncalled for. Anyway, modern dictionaries are generally descriptivist. That means they describe the standard, not define it. There is no single entity that defines it. A dictionary could define the word "be" as "glorble flooble düsseldorf", and it wouldn't change the standard one bit. Usage determines the standard, not dictionaries.
Also, let's not forget that dictionaries are subject to error, and there may even be limitations. For example, a given dictionary might only mark an entire entry as "nonstandard", but will not mark variant spellings or pronunciations of standard words. We had a dispute in the English forum a couple of weeks ago where a poster claimed that the word "crap" was more obscene than "damn" on the grounds that the dictionary marked "crap" as vulgar, but not "damn". That doesn't change the fact that every experience I've ever had tells me that "crap" is a far less severe word, at least in the U.S. We weren't even allowed to say "damn" in high school, but we said "crap" all the time. The point is that these little annotations are only guidelines, far from authoritative pronouncements.
- Kef
Calling me an idiot is uncalled for. Anyway, modern dictionaries are generally descriptivist. That means they describe the standard, not define it. There is no single entity that defines it. A dictionary could define the word "be" as "glorble flooble düsseldorf", and it wouldn't change the standard one bit. Usage determines the standard, not dictionaries.
Also, let's not forget that dictionaries are subject to error, and there may even be limitations. For example, a given dictionary might only mark an entire entry as "nonstandard", but will not mark variant spellings or pronunciations of standard words. We had a dispute in the English forum a couple of weeks ago where a poster claimed that the word "crap" was more obscene than "damn" on the grounds that the dictionary marked "crap" as vulgar, but not "damn". That doesn't change the fact that every experience I've ever had tells me that "crap" is a far less severe word, at least in the U.S. We weren't even allowed to say "damn" in high school, but we said "crap" all the time. The point is that these little annotations are only guidelines, far from authoritative pronouncements.
- Kef
Longman Dictionary of American English has only ESPRESSO, not EXPRESSO.
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