"kiln"

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Josh Lalonde   Wed Jul 18, 2007 3:22 am GMT
<<If you had the THOUGHT vowel in "walk" it'd be [wOk] rather than [wAUk].>>

Not necessarily. In much of the southern US, the vowel of THOUGHT is a diphthong like [AU] or [Ao]. In most of the rest of the US, it is something like [Q] (when it isn't merged with LOT/PALM).
Jim H.   Wed Jul 18, 2007 3:49 am GMT
How do you all pronounce "figure"? I have [fIgr\=].
Josh Lalonde   Wed Jul 18, 2007 3:51 am GMT
I say both ["fIg@`] and ["fIgj@`]; the latter mostly for the noun and the former for the verb.
Lazar   Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:23 am GMT
I say ["fIgj@`] for both the noun and the verb.
Travis   Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:46 am GMT
I formally pronounce both the noun and the verb "figure" as ["fI:gjR=:], but in actual everyday speech I use the more conservative pronunciation ["fI:gR=:] (rhotics aside) for the verb "figure".
RMF   Thu Jul 19, 2007 1:19 am GMT
I'm from Scotland myself and I say [kI5] for "kiln".
Jim H.   Sun Aug 12, 2007 1:24 am GMT
Thanks for your participation.
Milton   Sun Aug 12, 2007 5:24 pm GMT
I don't understand. Josh said L is very light in Canada.
Yet, the linguistic data suggest that light L is rarely vocalized in any language/dialect - dark L is normally vocalized.
Josh Lalonde   Sun Aug 12, 2007 6:05 pm GMT
<<I don't understand. Josh said L is very light in Canada.
Yet, the linguistic data suggest that light L is rarely vocalized in any language/dialect - dark L is normally vocalized.>>

I was referring to the non-vocalized /l/'s that remain in my variety. And I don't think I said that they're very light, just that they're lighter than in much of the US. It's true that clear /l/ is hardly ever vocalized, but those who don't vocalize /l/ here have a very dark post-vocalic /l/--I think it might even be pharyngealized.
Earle   Sun Aug 12, 2007 9:45 pm GMT
Growing up in the American South, I never heard the "n" pronounced in "kiln." OTOH, the "r" was always there in "wash," and "rinse" was pronounced as if it ended in "ch." It's worth noting that Southern speech patterns tend to be very conservative and often mirror earlier British and Irish usage. BTW, I'll be 68 in a few months...
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