"Jesus Christ"

Why is it that I hear Jews and atheists refer to Jesus as "Jesus Christ"?

Christians call him that... I've never heard a Jew or atheist call him that.

Well I have. I've even heard them say "Jesus Christ was not the messiah" which in a sentence like that, is a clear contradiction.

The word "Christ" means messiah, I believe. Many people (Jewish people or others) sometimes swear using this name. It isn't considered to be polite to do this.

I'm not here, btw, to slam Jewish people or others, I just added my comment.

I wanted to be sure before I commented. The Greek word is Χριστός (Christós), which (Wikipedia told me) means "The Anointed One." The Hebrew word for the Messiah is מָשִׁיחַ which I read as "mashiach." Other people may read it a little differently.

מָ is the first letter and it's read from right to left. Those tiny marks are to let dummies like me how the vowel is supposed to be pronounced.

I'm afraid that I don't know much Greek (except the alphabet and I seem to have seen Christós written with an H before.)

I understand that the Hebrew also is related to a verb related to annointing, but my Hebrew is not that good.

Those tiny marks are to let dummies like me know how the vowel is supposed to be pronounced.

A lot of people don't know, or don't care about, the meaning of the word "Christ". I'm an atheist and it's still not uncommon to hear me speak of God as though he were real (e.g., "God is messing with you"). It's just a matter of convention, I guess.

- Kef

<<I'm an atheist and it's still not uncommon to hear me speak of God as though he were real (e.g., "God is messing with you").>>

That means that you're subconsciously thinking "maybe there is a God".

<< That means that you're subconsciously thinking "maybe there is a God". >>

I do not appreciate being told what I think. I know better than you do.

so in what do you believe, in posession? your own mind? in your own education? in Marx, Lennin??? In socialism? I think that you are not even smart enough to nderstand Jesus, so yo have to read Bible to understand what is it about...

" I think that you are not even smart enough to nderstand Jesus, so yo have to read Bible to understand what is it about"

Though I too love Jesus Christ for being a special prophet, never have I read or looked at a book more confusing and contracting to itself than the Bible. I bet that Laura herself, in her most inner belief system, agrees with me

Bible is a very big book, and the New Testament is only a small fraction of it. Considering that the NT was writen by various sources, contradictions could be plausible, but don't see these contradictions. The Old Testament is more confusing because there were much more sources involved (in theory it is only God...) , but despite some may find it superficial and a mess, it hides many truths for whomever want to read it carefully. You don't need to really believe in God. Bible is about the nature of the human being and the sense of the life more than an abstract entity called God in which you may believe or not.

There is no rule that non-Christians use one form of the name and Christians use another. Indivuals of any persuasion probably use both interchangeably all the time. As for atheists using religious idioms and figures of speech, of course we do, because everybody else does, and they are simply a part of normal speech; figures of speech have no bearing on our actual beliefs, though.

I really don't find the Bible difficult to read. I don't think Sir Richard Burton (the language man, explorer) would have recommended reading it to learn languages if it were so difficult.

Of course, in the past educated people had some knowledge of the Bible (even "non-Christians" like Thomas Jefferson). If you are interested in the Bible, find a translation you can read. I like accurate translations, so I'm not interested in some paraphrased editions, but to each, his or her own.

I have found the Bible to be a good language tool.

As to the words "Jesus Christ", people who swear with this name usually use different intonation (in English) than people who are saying this in regard to how they regard Christ. If you watch movies where there is swearing, you'll notice this.

I don't see any reason to call Kef down on being an atheist. He's reading Heisig for Japanese and Heisig had some Biblical imagery if I recall correctly. If Kef wants to know God, he can pray to know God, Christ, etc. If not, well, he has already told us how he believes. Mocking him or hassling him will not change his mind.