horse and hoarse, war and wore

Are these two words pronounced the same way? What about ''war'' and ''wore''? My dictionary told me the ''horse'' and ''war'' have the ''awe'' sound, and ''hoarse'' and ''wore'' have the ''owe'' sound.

In my accent,
war and wore: ~ wô(r)
horse and hoarse: ~ hô(r)s
Where ô is like your Spanish o as we've discussed before.

I don't understand the "owe" sound. Is it an American dictionary?

I'll write my name as ''Juan C.'' to avoid confusion. I'm a Juan too.

Cool no probs, just so there aren't any misunderstandings.

A typical Florida accent (not the Southern one, however) will have a noticeable enough difference between war and wore. I wouldn't say there is a large enough difference between horse and hoarse except I would tend to accentuate the oar sound.

I would say wore with an deeper O sound. It's slight, but there's a difference.

I don't know how the dictionary is giving an owe sound for hoarse and wore. There's nothing like an owe sound in either word.

All of those words have the same vowel sound in my accent, but none of them rhyme with "owe" or "awe."

mjd

I thought "lawn" and "lorn" rhymed in your NY accent. How is "aw" different from "or"?

New Jersey's accent is a bit different and we tend to speak with a rhotic accent (this can vary depending on one's proximity to NYC).

It's difficult for me to evaluate my own accent. I do pronounce the "r" in "lorn," so they don't rhyme for me.

mjd

I see. Actually, I just meant the vowel /o:/ (or other) in those words. So it might be /lo:n/ for lawn and /lo:rn/ for lorn. But I think what you meant was, a vowel before "r" makes it difficult for you to evaluate.

I'd say the vowel sounds are almost exactly the same for me in "lawn" and "lorn," except the presence of the "r" in "lorn" changes the sound a little bit.

I didn't mean to include "awe" up top in my vowel sounds that don't rhyme. "Owe" definitely doesn't fit for me, but the my vowel sound in "lawn" and "awe" are the same.

In my South Carolina accent there's a difference between ''horse'' and ''hoarse'', ''war'' and ''wore'', ''corps'' and ''core'' etc.

horse-[ho:rs]
hoarse-[hOurs]

war-[wo:r]
wore-[wOur]

corps-[ko:r]
core-[kOur]

I'm from Northern Florida and I pronounce ''horse'' and ''hoarse'', ''war'' and ''wore'', ''corps'' and ''core'' etc. the same.

I've never heard anyone pronounce them differently.

I'm from Southern Florida (Miami to be precise) and I pronounce all those words the same, except war and wore

"A typical Florida accent (not the Southern one, however) will have a noticeable enough difference between war and wore."

So this is true for southern Florida!

war has somewhat of a slight short "a" sound, not exactly phonetically war, but the phonetic war and "wore" mixed together for me. I do not know how to describe it.