Et j'aurais pu ajouter norvégien oye (sans l'accent, désolé)
catalan ull
roumain ochi
catalan ull
roumain ochi
What makes French a Latin-Germanic mixed language
<<D'où l'influence est-elle la plus marquée? L'étymologie anglaise nous mentionne une origine germanique alors que l'étymologie du français nous propose une provenance du latin. >>
Are you asking whether there is any influence between 'eye' and 'yeux'? If so, I don't think so. It's just coincidence that they appear kinda similar.
Are you asking whether there is any influence between 'eye' and 'yeux'? If so, I don't think so. It's just coincidence that they appear kinda similar.
Non, le mot oeil en français est différent du latin oculus, mais son équivalent eye en anglais est tout aussi différent du mot germanique augon (augen en germanique moderne) dont il proviendrait. Donc, il n'y a pas plus de différence dans le lexique des langues romanes d'aujourd'hui et celui du latin classique, que le lexique des langues germaniques modernes et celui du protogermanique, voire même qu'on pourrait proposer une origine latine à ce mot utilisé dans les langues germaniques contemporaines!
<<mais son équivalent eye en anglais est tout aussi différent du mot germanique augon (augen en germanique moderne) dont il proviendrait. >>
Yes, English/Scots/Frisian in comparison with French show some parallel evolutions, especially in regards to "g" sounds (PGmc dagaz > day/day/dei; Lat pagare > payer), but English "eye" is not as far from other Germanic leids (see below); whether French 'yeux' is evenfar as 'eye' is open for discussion, I am not that couth with the other Oil langues:
English: eye, eyes/eyen
Scots: ee een
W Frisian: each, eagen
Dansk: øje, øjne
Norsk: øye, øyne
Yes, English/Scots/Frisian in comparison with French show some parallel evolutions, especially in regards to "g" sounds (PGmc dagaz > day/day/dei; Lat pagare > payer), but English "eye" is not as far from other Germanic leids (see below); whether French 'yeux' is evenfar as 'eye' is open for discussion, I am not that couth with the other Oil langues:
English: eye, eyes/eyen
Scots: ee een
W Frisian: each, eagen
Dansk: øje, øjne
Norsk: øye, øyne
Leasnam:''but English "eye" is not as far from other Germanic leids (see below); whether French 'yeux' is evenfar as 'eye' is open for discussion, I am not that couth with the other Oil langues:''
English: eye, eyes/eyen
Scots: ee een
W Frisian: each, eagen
Dansk: øje, øjne
Norsk: øye, øyne
et le néerlandais oog
le suédois öga
l'allemand augen
ne les oublions pas
Un petit aperçu des langues d'oïl:
http://www.dico-definitions.com/dictionnaire/definition/22810/Oeil.php
English: eye, eyes/eyen
Scots: ee een
W Frisian: each, eagen
Dansk: øje, øjne
Norsk: øye, øyne
et le néerlandais oog
le suédois öga
l'allemand augen
ne les oublions pas
Un petit aperçu des langues d'oïl:
http://www.dico-definitions.com/dictionnaire/definition/22810/Oeil.php
Curieusement, peut-être à rapprocher d'oc (langue) pour le latin oculus devenu occhio en italien et d'oïl (langue) pour le français devenu oeil.
it seems now clear for everyone here that french language is nothing like a mixed latin-germanic, at best it has some minor frankish influences on it.
And what is sure is that culturally speaking France is very different from the germanic nations of northern Europe: this little caricature concerning the french/english might be a bit exagerated but still be very true. We understand well many of the cultural differences between french and anglo-saxon mentalities.
http://www.greenbees.fr/06_Ressources/06_Intercultural_Differences_UK_France/Intercultural_UK_France_EN.htm
And what is sure is that culturally speaking France is very different from the germanic nations of northern Europe: this little caricature concerning the french/english might be a bit exagerated but still be very true. We understand well many of the cultural differences between french and anglo-saxon mentalities.
http://www.greenbees.fr/06_Ressources/06_Intercultural_Differences_UK_France/Intercultural_UK_France_EN.htm
It seems clear for everyone,that France has very different regions.Northern and Northeastern France has common features with Germanic nations of Northern Europe. French mentality in Northern France differs from French mentality in Southern France.
What is the difference between French mentality in Northem France and French mentality in Southern France?
" It seems clear for everyone,that France has very different regions.Northern and Northeastern France has common features with Germanic nations of Northern Europe. French mentality in Northern France differs from French mentality in Southern France."
really?? All those stereotypes that were described in the comic strip above apply to all of France, and especially in Paris.
In fact the initail purpose was to compare life and work in Paris vs life and work in London.
That is your choice to think that mentality in northern France is like what can be found in UK, Germany or netherlands but that is basically very wrong. As a parisian, when I go in Uk, Netherlands or germany I feel myself to be in a complete different world, even if it is not so far geographically speaking. Many people from germanic nations fail to be aware of this.
really?? All those stereotypes that were described in the comic strip above apply to all of France, and especially in Paris.
In fact the initail purpose was to compare life and work in Paris vs life and work in London.
That is your choice to think that mentality in northern France is like what can be found in UK, Germany or netherlands but that is basically very wrong. As a parisian, when I go in Uk, Netherlands or germany I feel myself to be in a complete different world, even if it is not so far geographically speaking. Many people from germanic nations fail to be aware of this.
<<it seems now clear for everyone here that french language is nothing like a mixed latin-germanic, at best it has some minor frankish influences on it.
>>
Really? You can only speak for yourself. Personally, I disagree with you.
>>
Really? You can only speak for yourself. Personally, I disagree with you.
" It seems clear for everyone,that France has very different regions.Northern and Northeastern France has common features with Germanic nations of Northern Europe. "
I think many people tend to think northern France to be like England, Germany or netherlands because many people represent themselves the geographical position of the northern part of France as being in the same part of Europe that those germanic nations.
people usually have some difficulties be aware that, even from the northern half of France most germanic nations are situated much more north. For a frenchman from, say, Paris; Germany, UK or the Netherlands are seen as "countries of the north"... and they are! only a tiny part of southern Germany lies at similar latitudes with Paris. Paris and Munich might being at similar latitudes, Paris has of course a much more "southern" culture than Munich...
The reality is that northern france is of course much more similar to southern France than it is to England or Netherlands for exemple.
http://cjoint.com/data/hwuHbt1VHg.htm
I think many people tend to think northern France to be like England, Germany or netherlands because many people represent themselves the geographical position of the northern part of France as being in the same part of Europe that those germanic nations.
people usually have some difficulties be aware that, even from the northern half of France most germanic nations are situated much more north. For a frenchman from, say, Paris; Germany, UK or the Netherlands are seen as "countries of the north"... and they are! only a tiny part of southern Germany lies at similar latitudes with Paris. Paris and Munich might being at similar latitudes, Paris has of course a much more "southern" culture than Munich...
The reality is that northern france is of course much more similar to southern France than it is to England or Netherlands for exemple.
http://cjoint.com/data/hwuHbt1VHg.htm
" What is the difference between French mentality in Northem France and French mentality in Southern France? "
C'est un peu plus compliqué qu'une simple opposition nord/sud... surtout concernant les "mentalités". Et tout dépend aussi du point de vue, qui est souvent caricatural. La Provence de pagnol n'existe plus et ne representait pas tout le sud de la France. Inversement la mentalité Parisienne n'a jamais résumé le nord de la France en général... Le cliché du parisien intello/snob/bobo n'a pas grand chose à voir en terme de mentalité avec le cliché du ch'timi, vu comme un buveur de bière amateur de cabanes à frites...
Pour illustrer et detendre l'atmosphere, voici une petite vision de la France vue depuis Paris!
http://www.cijoint.fr/cj200907/cijuIkUy0v.jpg
C'est un peu plus compliqué qu'une simple opposition nord/sud... surtout concernant les "mentalités". Et tout dépend aussi du point de vue, qui est souvent caricatural. La Provence de pagnol n'existe plus et ne representait pas tout le sud de la France. Inversement la mentalité Parisienne n'a jamais résumé le nord de la France en général... Le cliché du parisien intello/snob/bobo n'a pas grand chose à voir en terme de mentalité avec le cliché du ch'timi, vu comme un buveur de bière amateur de cabanes à frites...
Pour illustrer et detendre l'atmosphere, voici une petite vision de la France vue depuis Paris!
http://www.cijoint.fr/cj200907/cijuIkUy0v.jpg
Well ,people drink beer and eat pork and sausages in Northern France (Picardy,Artois),and people drink wine and eat cheese or foie gras (duck liver) in rest of France.
" eat pork and sausages in Northern France "
Pork is consumed in all Europe, north and south. The same in France; most famous sausages are from Toulouse region (cassoulet). Auvergne has a sausage-based cooking too. most famous Hams in France are from Savoie and Basque country.
The same in Spain, where ham (pork) is one of the most tipically spanish foods. Spain is actually among the biger pork-eating countries in Europe, before germany.
http://www.3trois3.com/buscando/images/0716-3.gif
Pork is consumed in all Europe, north and south. The same in France; most famous sausages are from Toulouse region (cassoulet). Auvergne has a sausage-based cooking too. most famous Hams in France are from Savoie and Basque country.
The same in Spain, where ham (pork) is one of the most tipically spanish foods. Spain is actually among the biger pork-eating countries in Europe, before germany.
http://www.3trois3.com/buscando/images/0716-3.gif