Is French on the decline

Pinoccio   Mon Dec 08, 2008 11:22 am GMT
Nicolas Bruni SARKOZY

A puppet controlled by Italians.
Milton   Mon Dec 08, 2008 1:26 pm GMT
French is on the decline in Belgium: now only 39 % of Belgian people speak it, compared with 90% 100 years ago. Furthermore, Dutch speaking population of Brussels is rising after years of decreasing and now about 20 % Brussels inhabitants speak it at home.
eastlander   Mon Dec 08, 2008 1:33 pm GMT
But about 80% Brussels inhabitants spoke Dutch (Flemish) 200 years ago.
D   Mon Dec 08, 2008 1:39 pm GMT
Milton, French has almost always been in decline in Belgium because the majority of the people are Flemish and Dutch. Obviously, that would make less Belgians want to speak French.
Othello   Tue Dec 09, 2008 4:53 am GMT
<< French is on the decline in Belgium: now only 39 % of Belgian people speak it, compared with 90% 100 years ago. Furthermore, Dutch speaking population of Brussels is rising after years of decreasing and now about 20 % Brussels inhabitants speak it at home. >>

French is on the rise in Belgium because as you can see many native French speakers there carry a Dutch surname. Yes, the increase is not just on birthrate but with the assimilation of Flemish into the French speaking realm.

Just 10% of Brussels speak Dutch at home. the other 10% are non-french and dutch speakers.


<< Milton, French has almost always been in decline in Belgium because the majority of the people are Flemish and Dutch. Obviously, that would make less Belgians want to speak French. >>

Just 55% are Flemish and 45% are French speakers. Obviously, Flemish are reluctant only to speak French with Walloon but with the French, Canadians, and Swiss, they are so willing to use their French.


Actually Spanish is very much a minority in Spain because it's only spoken in Castilia, and Andalusia. Most speak Catalan, Galician, Basque, Aragonese, Asturian, Leonese, and the other Spanish dialects are petitioning the linguists to declare them languages in their own right.

In Peru, Bolivia, and Ecuador, Spanish native speakers are below 50% of the population.

90% of Paraguayan are native Guarani speakers and just 10% are native speakers and also fluent in Guarani.

The same case in Guatemala where slightly Quiche plus the rest of the arendian language speakers make up slightly 50% of the population. 30% of the population understand no Spanish at all.
Jose ZAPATERO Presidente   Tue Dec 09, 2008 4:57 am GMT
Por supuesto que el español no es importante. Hay definitivamente muchas débil en este sitio. eres muy pauvre, tu coño!
Cinderella   Tue Dec 09, 2008 4:59 am GMT
Jose Luis Rodriguez ZAPATERO, a puppet controlled by the Zapotec Indians.
Jose Luis ZAPATERO Presid   Tue Dec 09, 2008 5:12 am GMT
Swahili es más importante que el español. Insto a los hispanos a estudiar, porque pronto será la lengua nativa de todo el mundo hispano.








Jose Luis ZAPATERO El Presidente del Reino de España
Othello el idiota   Tue Dec 09, 2008 8:49 am GMT
YOU ARE A FRENCH LIAR AND TROLL!

<< Actually Spanish is very much a minority in Spain >>

Um.....No. You are wrong. It is the majority native and has presence in all of Spain. It is the national language. Other minority languages are official only in their regions.

<< In Peru, Bolivia, and Ecuador, Spanish native speakers are below 50% of the population. >>

In Peru and Ecuador NO! The majority of people speak Spanish there. CHECK YOUR FACTS! In Bolivia about 40-50% natively.

<< 90% of Paraguayan are native Guarani speakers and just 10% are native speakers and also fluent in Guarani. >>

Boliva and Paraguay are among the small Hispanic countries, so it's not a big deal anyways. Regardless, it is official and spoken in both those places.


Hey frog troll, why don't we talk about how French is a MINORITY language in most countries outside of France where it's official? Let's talk about how native African languages are more common in many "Francophone" countries? And they should be.

The same case in Guatemala where slightly Quiche plus the rest of the arendian language speakers make up slightly 50% of the population. 30% of the population understand no Spanish at all. >>
Othello el idiota   Tue Dec 09, 2008 8:52 am GMT
<< The same case in Guatemala where slightly Quiche plus the rest of the arendian language speakers make up slightly 50% of the population. 30% of the population understand no Spanish at all. >>

So what? In most Spanish speaking countries, Spanish is the majority native language. Not the same for French.
Jesus wasn't a virgin   Tue Dec 09, 2008 9:29 am GMT
Even by the most optimistic numbers for French (175 m.), Spanish needs only Spain (45 m.), Mexico (108 m.) and Venezuela (26 m.) [= 178 m. total] to surpass French. The other countries are just succulent bonuses.
Milton l'idiote   Tue Dec 09, 2008 11:44 am GMT
<< So what? In most Spanish speaking countries, Spanish is the majority native language. Not the same for French. >>

So? Francophopne countries speak impeccable French and most of the people there speak proper French. Unlike in Hispanic countries the Spanish of Chile is not understood by Spaniards, Mexican by Chileans, Cubans by Argentinians, etc. because they don't even know standard written Spanish. LACK OF EDUCATION ON THEIR PART that's the cause.
Arizona   Tue Dec 09, 2008 1:00 pm GMT
Is French on the decline?

YES.

With hardly 200 million of French speakers, French is 10th most spoken language after English, Chinese, Spanish, Hindi, Arabic, Russian, Malay-Indonesian, Bengali and Portuguese. It will dissapear from the top ten in the near future.


Status as an international language

It WAS official in 33 countries. Now in 29 countries, but a minority language in 28 of them. So, the status of this language is obviously worse. There is lots of evidence that French is slipping as an international language.

Comparison with other world languages

Chinese, English, Arabic, Spanish and Russian are more spoken and more widespread than French. These languages are DOMINANT in a big area as native languages. French is only dominant in France.


Why care about the Francophonie?

It’ surprising the importance of this organization. The promotion of French is obviously the first purpose of this organization. But to invite a lot of countries where French is not spoken, DOESN'T PROMOTE this language. You can invite tomorrow China, Japan, USA and Russia to these meetings and they don't will speak this language.


Final comparison with Spanish.

I don't know why French people like to compare French and Spanish. Ok.

Spanish is more spoken as native language (400 million), more spoken as total speakers (500 million), more widespread and MORE SIMILAR (all Hispanics understand perfectly Spanish from all the countries) than French (French from Haiti is now a different language according to all experts, not understood by French people).

Spanish is probably the second most studied language, after English, and the third language of Internet after English and Chinese.

In the economic field, it is the third most important language, after English and Chinese, if you consider the GDP of all Hispanic countries and the Hispanic minority in USA.

To see the strengh of Spanish as economic language, an example, Bill Richardson, next American Secretary of Commerce (USA) and Joaquin Almunia, European Comissioner for Economic and Monetary Affairs (European Union) have Spanish as mother tongue. There are only in European Union and USA over 100 million of Spanish speakers as first or second language.

Finally, Spanish is official in European Union, NAFTA (North America), UNASUR (South America), African Union (Africa), Central American Common Market (Central America) and Antarctic Treaty (Antarctica).

In APEC (Asia), English is the only official language, but Spanish and Chinese are promoted in this organization, and probably they will be official in the near future.
Milton   Tue Dec 09, 2008 1:12 pm GMT
-Just 10% of Brussels speak Dutch at home. the other 10% are non-french and dutch speakers.-


Not true.

Languages spoken at home (Brussels Capital Region, 2006)[16]


French only 57 %
French & Dutch 9 %
French & non-Dutch language 7 %
Dutch only 11 %
Neither French nor Dutch 16 %


French 57 + 4.5 + 3.5 = 65 %
Dutch 11 + 4.5 = 15.5 %
Other 16 + 3.5 = 19.5 %

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_language#Brussels


15.5% is a jump from 5 % in the 50ies.


For most good job positions in Brussels, knowledge of both Dutch and French is obligatory, which is so unlike 50 years ago when Walloon people considered Dutch a redneck language. Thanks to richness of Flanders, Belgium changed from being a 100 % French speaking country (in the times of Belgian Cong) to being a 60 % Dutch speaking country.
Arizona   Tue Dec 09, 2008 5:42 pm GMT
In Brussels, capital of the European Union, the languages are:

1. French (official)
2. English
3. Dutch (official)
4. Spanish


In Washington D.C., capital of USA, the languages are:

1. English
2. Spanish


It is obvious that English and Spanish are important in Brussels and Washington. They are the most spoken, not considering the official languages.