Portuguese In Asia

Kroll   Fri Jan 23, 2009 6:05 am GMT
I have seen in this forum a lot post about Portuguese from Europe, Brazil and Africa.

But what happens to the portuguese in Macau and East Timor?

Are they similar to Portuguese form Africa, Brazil or Portugal?

Thank you.
Guest   Fri Jan 23, 2009 6:30 am GMT
Good topic but i don't know what to say. I don't know portuguese. SO I can not talk anout it.
Reality   Fri Jan 23, 2009 6:59 am GMT
As it happens, Portuguese in Macau and East Timor is a myth. You may as well ask about the Portuguese spoken by the Brazilian diaspora community in Armenia.
Rui   Fri Jan 23, 2009 10:36 am GMT
Portuguese is spoken in quite an extend in East-Timor, besides a very tiny Portuguese community in Macau.

In India is pratically extinct.

But it's not a myth. English, Portuguese, French and Dutch were the European languages, that gave the most input on new words to many of the East-Asian languages. Concerning the food and so on.
Loris   Fri Jan 23, 2009 11:06 am GMT
In East-Timor (Timor Lorosae) Portuguese language always remained in common use, even when Indonesia tryed to impose Bahasa by force. Its use was reinforced after the independence, as Portugal made a great effort to support the new country: many portuguese volunteers went to Timor then (some remained there), namely teachers, doctors and others, and many young timorese came to Portugal to study (all paid by Portuguese Gov.).

The timorese see Portuguese as a national unifying language, which reinforces their identity in between a pair of powerful neighbors, Indonesia and Australia (whose smooth moves concerning timorese oil reserves made them suspicious at many timorese nationals eyes).

In Macau, as well as in parts of Malaca (Malaysia) and in the territories of former Portuguese State of India, Portuguese is still spoken by some people but it's clearly fading. Still its cultural influence remains visible and it's un-erasable, namely by many pidgin-languages based on Portuguese still in use, in local scale (Sri Lanka, Malaysia, India). And there's Portuguese influence in vocabulary all over Indic Ocean, from Iran to Japan.

So, Portuguese in Asia is much more than a myth...
Loris   Fri Jan 23, 2009 11:08 am GMT
Correction : *Indic Ocean* > Asia
J.C.   Fri Jan 23, 2009 11:18 am GMT
It's not a myth in Timor Leste at all as one can see in the following link:
http://webzoom.freewebs.com/jpesperanca/Mai%20ita%20aprende%20portuges%20ho%20Emilia/curso_portugues_Timor.pdf

Not only Portuguese is present in the national language t├ętum but it has been taught in the country. I also found other Timor Leste websites written in Portuguese:
http://www.pm.gov.tp/port/welcome.htm
http://www.timorlestecontacto.page.tl/

Cheers!!
ubermenshen   Fri Jan 23, 2009 11:30 am GMT
While Portuguese does have historic significance, it is all but dead in Macau. Yes, you might find a couple of sites in it from Macau, but that is insignificant. I could also find sites from Macau in Russian, German, etc and probably in greater numbers.

In Timor it is more spoken than in Macau, but I still would in no way call it a stronghold or anything and the situation is very precarious.
Loris   Fri Jan 23, 2009 12:08 pm GMT
Precarious in which sense?
Shrey   Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:43 pm GMT
to the person who said Portuguese is practically extinct in India...it's false. I know of several communities in Goa who can speak fluent portuguese. In fact most the upper class people in Goa can speak fluent Portuguese.
AL   Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:49 pm GMT
it's false. That is right. Tom and the moderators project an aura of respectibility. However, the discredited Tom and the discredited moderators enjoy picking on certain posters here and deleting their work. They obviously can't do it to everyone. I was one of their victims and their actions hurt me very badly. You should realize that these discredited people have blood on their hands.
LL   Fri Jan 23, 2009 10:37 pm GMT
There is not much Portuguese spoken in Macau unless things have changed since I was there. Things were written in Portuguese for which I was glad, but I didn't hear any spoken in the street.
goa   Sun Jan 25, 2009 5:17 pm GMT
Take a look at all the languages spoken in Goa, this is fantastic!

STATISTIC OF GOA: 1981


Languages (1981):
Konkani 600.004
Marathi 266.649
Gujarati 77.677
Kannada 33.512
Urdu 27.703
Hindi 21.158
Malayalam 7.634
English 6.407
Telugu 5.527
Tamil 3.884
Punjabi 1.314
Portuguese It is now spoken only by a small segment of the upper class families and about 3 to 5 % of the people still speak it (estimated at 30.000 to 50.000 people).
Guest   Mon Jan 26, 2009 1:38 am GMT
I was in december in Macau and I saw a program on tV which teaches portuguese to Citizens of Macau. But it is true I only heard two people speak portuguese no more.
Paul   Mon Jan 26, 2009 3:58 am GMT
People tend to exaggerate the variation of portuguese. Theres no "African" portuguese, and no "Asian" portuguese.

Theres just two major forms of portuguese (creoles not considered): Brazilian, and European.

Brazilian portuguese is unique to Brazil, and everywhere else in the lusophone world they speak standard european portuguese -or something very close to it.


Examples of portuguese speakers from Asia:

Timor: http://www.instituto-camoes.pt/cvc/hlp/geografia/som84.html

Macau: http://www.instituto-camoes.pt/cvc/hlp/geografia/som92.html


^^ listen to the recordings and you'll note that both are very european-sounding.