Battle of Teutoburg Forest
Brennus Wed Mar 18, 2009 8:49 am GMT
I read that German archeologists have recently found evidence of Roman encampments in Germany --in Saxony and Hamburg -- dating to as late as the 4th century A.D. This indicates that the Battle of Teutoburg Forest was not as historically significant as previously thought even though it was a German victory. The Romans still hung around in the region for about two more centuries.
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You are right in that the Battle of Teutoburg Forest forest wasn´t the only one. It was followed by year long attemts of Rome to conquer Germania and to take revenge for the loose of prestige. Each time Rome entered Germania, they were again defeated or at least didn´t succeed in getteing control over the Germanic people and land. In the end the point is that Germany refused to enter the Roman empire - and this fact influenced the language card of Europe indeed.
Europeans are sooo lucky with respect to archeology !!!
Even in their backyards...arghhhh!! ;)
As for Archeology, I'd say some European countries just have ruins of "slums", such as the northern ones! You can admire the most interesting archeological finds in Greece, Turkey and Italy
sdake Wed Mar 25, 2009 4:56 pm GMT
As for Archeology, I'd say some European countries just have ruins of "slums", such as the northern ones! You can admire the most interesting archeological finds in Greece, Turkey and Italy
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Why do you think that today Greeks, Turks and Southern Italians live in slums? I don´t understand....
Why do you think that today Greeks, Turks and Southern Italians live in slums? I don´t understand....
You probably didn't understand what I meant... Only in Greece, Turkey and Italy you can admire nice archeolgical finds, not in northern Europe
"Only in Greece, Turkey and Italy you can admire nice archeolgical finds, not in northern Europe"
-- Turkey? There are some interesting remnants from the time the area belonged to European civilisation, but rather less than in Croatia (Pula, Split), Southern France (Orange, Arles) and Eastern Spain.
"not in northern Europe"
-- Never heard of Stonehenge? never got any information about Celtic graves? never heard of Externsteine? never seen any runestones?
Turkey? There are some interesting remnants from the time the area belonged to European civilisation, but rather less than in Croatia (Pula, Split), Southern France (Orange, Arles) and Eastern Spain.
Have you ever heard of the Ittite civilisation?
Ittite civilisation
Sorry, I meant Hittite civilization
The Indo European culture had its origins in Turkey. The Hittites spoke protoIE.
The Indo European culture had its origins in Turkey
That's not true, The indo-European culture had its origins in many places throughout Europe and Asia, particularly in India
No theory says the IE culture has its roots in India.
<<No theory says the IE culture has its roots in India.>>
True.
History tells us that the IEans migrated INTO India, confronting such peoples as the Dravidians who were living there.
The IEans did not originate from there.
> Ouest
> In your opinion, what were the consequences of the battle of the Teutoburg Forest for the languages in Europe?
> Would the languages spoken in Europe be other ones or modified if Varus and his Romans had won?
The Germanic Peoples won the Roman Empire but lost their native languages and culture as like as the Manchurian conquerors in China. There are only 4.3 % - 4.17 % of "unknown original word" (ancestors' language) that is still existing in the Germanic languages.
reference:
Sander
Thu Dec 29, 2005 8:51 pm GMT
Let's stick to real numbers shall we?
French, including Old French and early Anglo-French: 28.3%
Latin, including modern scientific and technical Latin: 28.24%
Old and Middle English, Old Norse, and Dutch: 25%
Greek: 5.32%
No etymology given: 4.03%
Derived from proper names: 3.28%
All other languages contributed less than 1%
(http://www.antimoon.com/forum/t1378-30.htm)
(Of unknown origin: 4,17 %)
> Réponse,
"But those "Romans" could as well be actually Germanic warrior formely serving for Rome, and who had made Roman practices their own as for military technologies and camp building."
The term "German" is mean 1. "running warrior as quick as arrow", 2. "noisy warrior" and 3. "rapid reaction corps" in Old Hokkienese. I find that the "German" is not a name for the tribes of so-called Germanic. The German is only a military term and which can be explained as "chariot corps" in ancient time.
Usually, a "chariot corps" was divided into three groups; Right Wing (with heavy equipment), Middle Command and Left Wing (with light equipment). In the battle of chariot, a chariot corps was included a group of infantryman followed behind the chariot and a group of logistic supply to transfer the foods and weapons.
When the Germanic tribes invaded the Europe in the past ancient world and lost its logistic supply from their original homeland, then they abandoned the chariots and chariot battle.
The military technologies of German was higher than the Roman Empire. The German is expert in battle of chariot and then its tactics, experience, military technologies and field battle ability after a long distance is better and complicated than Roman army.
The Anglo-Saxon words; Angles, Saxon, Jutes and Frisian are mean: uncle or elder brother, prince, police or military police, crucian carp in Old Hokkienese.
Anglo-Saxon words / Old Hokkienese meanings:
Angles - 1. uncle; the brothers of mother, acts as a consultant 2. elder brother, acts as a consultant.
(The "Angles" may be used in the meaning of 2. elder brother)
Saxon - prince; especially the successor of a Kingdom.
Jutes - police; service in a city, or military police; service in a field battle corps.
Frisian - crucian carp; a species of fresh-water fish, guard of water moat; protectors of a city, protectors of a headquarters of corps.
I guess that these four tribes consisted of a battle formation of "Middle Command" of the "Chariot Battle Corps" (German).
The Saxon (prince) was the Commander of this corps and Angles (uncle, or elder brother) was the consultant of prince.
In peaceful time Jutes (police) was keep the order of a city and when a war was break Jutes as service as military police to keep the order of army.
As in ancient time, the city would dig a wide and deep "city moat" with water in that to defend the city. The people would put down crucian carps in these water moats for living. Thus, the Frisians (crucian carp) implied the guards of water moat and protectors of a city (peaceful time), or protectors of a headquarters of corps (in war time).
The "prince", "consultant", "military police" and "guard of water moat" joined together in a battle array which mean they consisted of a Middle Command of this expeditionary force.
In traditionary customes of Hokkienese at past old days; an uncle (the brothers of mother) who usually acted as a consultant for their sisters' sons and daughters. The elder brother was also as a consultant and gave his advice in the important affairs for their younger brothers.
Anglo-Saxon: angles
English: uncle
France: oncle (may be a word of Frank)
Hokkienese: an-ku, in-ku, or a-ku (peh-oe-ji)
Anglo-Saxon: angles
English: elder brother
Hokkienese: an-ko (peh-oe-ji)