Languages of the future after fall of the American Empire?

GPoint   Wed Apr 01, 2009 12:52 pm GMT
French:
reseaux, base de donee, ordinateur, logiciel - who uses these terms now?

Well, in Spanish "ordenador" and "base de datos" are used.
Paul   Wed Apr 01, 2009 1:09 pm GMT
The talk of "American Empire" is a complete sensationalist fabrication, projected by other envious nations, who loathe American hegemony/influence.

The true fallen Empires: Spain, France, Portugal, Great Britain, Rome etc...

America will never make that list.
Q.E.D.   Wed Apr 01, 2009 5:04 pm GMT
Rara, you miss my point.
The fact that you wil create your own programming language doesn't mean that your effort leads to something new. It is a little bit technical but it goes down olike this:
- you'll have to build it on a new prinicple, which is not Turing's universal machine (Turing, Bletcehy Park, WW II)
- although your syntax may not be English, however your syntactic analyzer, the semantic tree and the code object will be generated pretty much on principles choke full of English terms (BNF grammars, compiler theory)
- you can write your own language for very small sopecialized tools and microchips, but it will be yours and youyr friends', customers, eventually

What is generally perceived today as programming language, or operating system or IT does not necessarilly mean that you google for solutions and blindly copy/paste in whatever you do. There is CS, man, and this computer science has been developed in English language. Yes, you may say base de donees or baze de date or whatever you may find comfortable in your language, the fact is that term is a literal translation of database.

If you guys think that an American empire exists out there, you never experienced the socialist empire at work - I loe to live in this american empire than everywhere else. Maybe this is not true for Chinese forumists, they love living in their empire. They have freedom to post (carefully, though), but not to cross the party line of ISP. The worst case for them is having the internet access cut after an offensive post (in censors eyes, ver, very subjective), because most probabnly you will be re eductaed. I take that also back, if you have enough connections and money you can bribe your way back to freedom. I really dare the Chinese to argue with me on thsi one!
Krshna   Wed Apr 01, 2009 5:18 pm GMT
You experience with 'hard' communist totalitarianism is exactly what's preventing you from perceiving the 'soft' 'free world' subtle form of totalitarianism.
You should study Laibach.
Q.E.D.   Wed Apr 01, 2009 5:41 pm GMT
Krshna,

I only wish for you to live a week in the socialist heaven. I gather that your experience is purely theoretical. You are no different from Berkeley academic socialist or French yuppies, to whom I had spoken recently. Interestingly enough, they tried to convince me that I should be grateful for my life spent is socialism and that's probably why I can't see the hellish part of capitalism.

If you split hairs, you may see totaliarianism everywhere. The point is what is not totaliarianism. From my vantage point, what is not totalitarianism is the fact that your father does not spend 10 yrs in communist prisons for defying authority and speaking his mind. It is also the reward of excellence regardless your pariah family status. It is also care for your neighbor and for fellow human being. It is not having foreigners tending your orphanages and retirement homes, feeding and cleaning the most vulnerable among us: children, old men and women. It is everything that socialism isn't - it is a way of life built on universal principles as opposed to a society built on economic principles.

Now, I really love academics who spent their times creating something useful and helpful for the footmen. I dilsike academics who disregard reality as not being fit to their narrow views.

Finally, I love talking to someone intelligent - thank you for your post.
Skorzeny   Wed Apr 01, 2009 6:05 pm GMT
If Germany was not defeated in the WWII Computer Science would talk German. Remember that the first digital computer was invented by a German but all his works were halted due to the war and his achievements were taken by the allied forces. The same can be said about Aerospatial Technology. It speaks English too, but until the WWII it spoke German and the technology NASA used to launch rockets to the Moon was created in German by German speaking minds.
Skippy   Wed Apr 01, 2009 6:44 pm GMT
Poorly worded question... But I'm assuming you're asking what language will be the next lingua franca after English. Since that will be so far in the future, it's impossible to say. It's like asking a Roman senator in the second century BC how long Latin will be the lingua franca: impossible to tell.
Stirutuf   Wed Apr 01, 2009 8:04 pm GMT
<<But I'm assuming you're asking what language will be the next lingua franca after English. Since that will be so far in the future, it's impossible to say.>>

If China plays their cards right in the not-so-distant future, won't the next lingua franca clearly be Chinese? Of course, if they miss their golden opportunity, the next rising superpower is much harder to predict.
Guest   Wed Apr 01, 2009 8:07 pm GMT
It's like asking a Roman senator in the second century BC how long Latin will be the lingua franca: impossible to tell


Well, the Republican Rome was a healthy period. USA is more like Caligula's Rome.
rara   Thu Apr 02, 2009 1:48 am GMT
<<Rara, you miss my point.
The fact that you wil create your own programming language doesn't mean that your effort leads to something new. It is a little bit technical but it goes down olike this:
- you'll have to build it on a new prinicple, which is not Turing's universal machine (Turing, Bletcehy Park, WW II)
- although your syntax may not be English, however your syntactic analyzer, the semantic tree and the code object will be generated pretty much on principles choke full of English terms (BNF grammars, compiler theory)
- you can write your own language for very small sopecialized tools and microchips, but it will be yours and youyr friends', customers, eventually

What is generally perceived today as programming language, or operating system or IT does not necessarilly mean that you google for solutions and blindly copy/paste in whatever you do. There is CS, man, and this computer science has been developed in English language. Yes, you may say base de donees or baze de date or whatever you may find comfortable in your language, the fact is that term is a literal translation of database. >>


No you are missing reality. What?? Computer Science was developed in the English language? Yes, that's true, but so what? Physics was developed in German yet most physics is now done in English. Mathematics was developed in Greek then Latin then French then English/Russian and German, now mostly in English.

No the language of computer science is not English, in fact, the real language of computer science is MATHEMATICS. Mathematics is the language of all science. Whatever language you choose to fill the gaps is irrelevant. Not English or any other language.

And what is this nonsense about 'database'? That is not even an English term, but rather a borrowing from Latin.

And why would I have to build the computer on a new principle? Why can't I just use the same one but change the words from English to another language? Surely you're not telling me differential equations and transistor function depends on the language you're speaking?
G8Point   Thu Apr 02, 2009 8:42 am GMT
Spanish:
Ordenador and base de datos - Never heard at all in the IT world.

French:
reseaux, base de donee, ordinateur, logiciel - As common as its English counterpart
Guest   Thu Apr 02, 2009 10:54 am GMT
Ordenador and base de datos - Never heard at all in the IT world.


Google: ordenador -> 25000 000 results.
Skippy   Thu Apr 02, 2009 12:56 pm GMT
Yes, the Chinese would have to play their cards right... But I'm skeptical that they will. English will be the primary lingua franca long after China's economy passes the US's; English is in better shape than Latin was or French was because it's been institutionalized in the UN, NATO, IMF, EU, OECD, etc.
Skippy   Thu Apr 02, 2009 1:05 pm GMT
And there's no relation between Caligula's Rome and the US. That's also ridiculous.
Guest   Thu Apr 02, 2009 1:18 pm GMT
Ok, if you do not like Caligula choose a more decadent Roman emperor.