Dutch dialects in Germany

Dutch dialects in Germany   Mon Mar 30, 2009 10:34 pm GMT
I heard that around Cleves, a Dutch dialect is spoken alongside German which is used as the standard language ... is this true?
Lingua   Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:34 am GMT
It is. In Germany there areas which are Dutch, Frisian, Low German (though very few LG regions remain and are very small) and Sorbian speaking but which all use Standard German language as well.

It's typical for Germany's cultural oppression policy of the 1890's.
rep   Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:40 am GMT
rep   Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:48 am GMT
Lingua   Wed Apr 01, 2009 6:55 pm GMT
The dialect of Cleves is Dutch.

Not German.
12345   Thu Apr 02, 2009 12:32 am GMT
Kleverländisch sounds close like Limburgian to me?
rep   Thu Apr 02, 2009 9:07 am GMT
Cleves (Kleverlaendisch,Kleefs) dialect is treating as one of Zuid Gelders dialects(not Limburgish) of Dutch.

122345   Thu Apr 02, 2009 12:11 pm GMT
Still close to Limburg. I especially noticed their 'g' which is a lot softer than I'm used to in my area. However, the Frisians don't have a hard 'g' also in their language. Only the 'ch' is hard, just like in German. The Frisians 'g' is like the English one.
KSO   Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:35 pm GMT
Limburgish is Dutch as well...
12345   Thu Apr 02, 2009 8:41 pm GMT
Limburgish is next to Low-Saxon an official regional language in the Netherlands.
12345   Thu Apr 02, 2009 8:43 pm GMT
Also Limburgish has tonality, what Dutch and German lack.
rep   Thu Apr 02, 2009 9:23 pm GMT
Limburgish is group of transitional dialects from Dutch (Low Franconian) to Ripuarian (Middle Franconian) dialects.
Ouest   Sat Apr 04, 2009 8:13 am GMT
KSO Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:35 pm GMT
Limburgish is Dutch as well...


There are hundredth of dialects in Europe, don´t waste your time in discussing wether a dialect is a language. A language is a dialect that has got official, and this is related to politics, and politics are discussed in other places.
Lingua   Sat Apr 04, 2009 9:01 am GMT
Limburgish is indeed Dutch, it being a 'erkende streektaal' says nothing linguistically or indeed politically. It's a dialect which according to the Dutch government should be preserved. That's all.

Only the most southern tip of Limburgish (around Kerkrade) is a transitional dialect to Ripuarian dialects. Some linguists have argued that instead of being transitional; these dialects are actually Ripuarian, and that there is no real transition.

Limburgish also doesn't have tonality. A small number of Limburgish dialects have something that resembles 'tonality'; but which is in fact a linguistic feature more related to Dutch vowel doubling than anything else.