I heard that around Cleves, a Dutch dialect is spoken alongside German which is used as the standard language ... is this true?
Dutch dialects in Germany
It is. In Germany there areas which are Dutch, Frisian, Low German (though very few LG regions remain and are very small) and Sorbian speaking but which all use Standard German language as well.
It's typical for Germany's cultural oppression policy of the 1890's.
It's typical for Germany's cultural oppression policy of the 1890's.
Example of "Dutch" (or Kleverlaendisch) dialect in Germany:
http://www.plattsatt.de/platthoerbar/gerdvanbenthum/index.php
http://www.plattsatt.de/platthoerbar/franzmatenaar/index.php
http://www.plattsatt.de/platthoerbar/gerdvanbenthum/index.php
http://www.plattsatt.de/platthoerbar/franzmatenaar/index.php
Cleves (Kleverlaendisch,Kleefs) dialect is treating as one of Zuid Gelders dialects(not Limburgish) of Dutch.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rheinmaasl%C3%A4ndisch
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rheinmaasl%C3%A4ndisch
Still close to Limburg. I especially noticed their 'g' which is a lot softer than I'm used to in my area. However, the Frisians don't have a hard 'g' also in their language. Only the 'ch' is hard, just like in German. The Frisians 'g' is like the English one.
Limburgish is next to Low-Saxon an official regional language in the Netherlands.
Limburgish is group of transitional dialects from Dutch (Low Franconian) to Ripuarian (Middle Franconian) dialects.
KSO Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:35 pm GMT
Limburgish is Dutch as well...
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Limburgish is Dutch as well...
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There are hundredth of dialects in Europe, don´t waste your time in discussing wether a dialect is a language. A language is a dialect that has got official, and this is related to politics, and politics are discussed in other places.
Limburgish is indeed Dutch, it being a 'erkende streektaal' says nothing linguistically or indeed politically. It's a dialect which according to the Dutch government should be preserved. That's all.
Only the most southern tip of Limburgish (around Kerkrade) is a transitional dialect to Ripuarian dialects. Some linguists have argued that instead of being transitional; these dialects are actually Ripuarian, and that there is no real transition.
Limburgish also doesn't have tonality. A small number of Limburgish dialects have something that resembles 'tonality'; but which is in fact a linguistic feature more related to Dutch vowel doubling than anything else.
Only the most southern tip of Limburgish (around Kerkrade) is a transitional dialect to Ripuarian dialects. Some linguists have argued that instead of being transitional; these dialects are actually Ripuarian, and that there is no real transition.
Limburgish also doesn't have tonality. A small number of Limburgish dialects have something that resembles 'tonality'; but which is in fact a linguistic feature more related to Dutch vowel doubling than anything else.