Sheriff

asdf   Thu Apr 09, 2009 11:11 pm GMT
Is it true that the word Sherriff has a different meaning in ths US and the UK?
Skippy   Thu Apr 09, 2009 11:43 pm GMT
In the US the role of a sheriff can vary depending on the region, but is usually the highest rank of law enforcement for a particular county and is usually elected.

I think they're more administrative in the UK. Not sure.
Danilo   Fri Apr 10, 2009 12:13 am GMT
According to Cambridge Dictionary:

1 in the US, an official whose job is to be in charge of performing the orders of the law courts and making certain that the laws are obeyed within a particular county

2 in England and Wales, a person who represents the king or queen in a particular county, and who has mainly ceremonial duties

3 the most important judge of a county in Scotland
Damian London SW15   Fri Apr 10, 2009 2:16 pm GMT
In Scotland, as stated above, a sheriff is a judge in a court of law dealing with less serious crimes or breaches of the law, operating in the local sheriff courts. This equates with magistrates in England and Wales, operating in local magistrate's courts.

More serious crimes are dealt with in the Crown Courts of all three constituent countries of the UK, presided over by High Court Judges of the Crown*.

In England and Wales an executive representative of the Monarch...currently the Queen....in a county is known as the Sheriff of that county, often called a High Sheriff. This covers all administration within that county executed in the name of the Queen.

In romantic historical legend in England the most well known such sheriff is the Sheriff of Nottingham - a city just outside Sherwood Forest - the scourge of the life of that fearless outlaw of Sherwood and robber of the rich and benefactor of the poor - Robin Hood, operating in the days of England's King Richard I, aka Richard the Lionheart (Coeur de Lion - 1157 to 1199).

The personal representative of the Queen (current monarch) in each county is known as a Lord Lieutenant (pronounced "Leff-TEN-unt") - mostly a ceremonial position and the first person to actally meet and greet the Queen each time she sets foot in any particular county.

The Scottish equivalent of an English or Welsh Mayor (or Lord Mayor) is a Provost (or Lord Provost). In Scotland the city of Edinburgh, just like the cities of Glasgow, Dundee and Aberdeen, has a Lord Provost.

Here in London there is a Mayor, elected by the people of the entire Greater London area - currently a bloke called Boris Johnson - the most prominent, and probably the most controversial, Local Government official in the UK. The post is highly political - John is a Conservative (or a Tory, if you prefer - his predecessor Ken Livingstone was a Labour Mayor).

The Lord Mayor of the City of London itself - the independent core of London - known as "The Square Mile" - and the site of the original Roman foundation Londinium - is the hub of commerce and finance and business, governed by the Corporation of the City of London, led by a Lord Mayor - currently Alderman Ian Luder - a completely apolitical position as the Lord Mayor is purely the representative of the Commercial activities of the City and having absolutely nothing to do withj party politics at all.

The City of London has a permanent night-time resident population of about 8,000 people. During the normal working day it's population swells to over 400,000, people who are employed within the bounds of the City of London each day.

*The Crown - the official term to mean the sovereignty of the British Monarch...currently Queen Elizabeth II - in other words the Realm of the UK itself and everything covering its governance.

Happy Easter
Uriel   Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:45 am GMT
A sheriff is just the county equivalent of a police chief in the US. His men are deputies. For some reason, counties get sheriffs and municipal areas get police. But they are both just cops, albeit with different physical jurisdictions. They aren't anything like magistrate judges here.
Damian London SW15   Sun Apr 12, 2009 7:14 am GMT
I've mentioned the most well known Sheriff - that of Nottingham, in the days of those hale and hearty outlaws - Robin Hood and his band of Merrie Men of Olde England roaming through the glades and copses of that most famous of forests - Sherwood* - performing good works on behalf of the downtrodden poor - accompanied by the lovely (weren't they ever thus? Not good for all those TV series otherwise!) - Maid Marian, as stalwart as the blokes.

The most famous (and real life) Lord Mayor of London was Dick Whittington - way back in the 14th century - unlike his pantomime depiction from a wealthy background and not dirt poor as the romanticists would have you believe. Allegedly coming from a wee village called Pauntley, in Gloucestershire, he is always credited with waling all the way to London, accompanied by his faithful cat walking beside him all along the way.....pure fiction most probably, but old Dick did indeed become Lord Mayor of London three times - "Thrice Lord Mayor of London" was the cry.

True to form Pantomime turns everything into a fairy story in which everything turns out to be "Happy Ever After" and the bloke (always played by a girl in pantomime, not matter what the particular pantomime, and the wicked character, or the two ugly sisters, invariably played by men) and in all Dick Whittington pantomimes the part of Dick is performed by a girl in tights and funny hat. The gender of the cat is immaterial....as long as it behaves on stage who cares whether it has to pee sitting down or standing up.

http://www.its-behind-you.com/dickwhittington.html
Uriel   Sun Apr 12, 2009 5:35 pm GMT
I think all cats squat....
Deng Xiaoping   Sun Apr 12, 2009 5:58 pm GMT
I think he meant: “it doesn’t matter if a cat is black or white so long as it can catch mice.”
Damian London E14   Mon Apr 13, 2009 8:22 am GMT
Uriel - pantomime cats* are actually two blokes in the same costume - one in the front complete with head and the two front legs, and the other bloke playing the part of the two hind legs and the tail. On stage squatting would be a logistical problem, and I reckon all toilet arrangements are undertaken during off stage scenes...separately with a bit of luck, and a choice of either sitting or standing is theirs alone.

I was merely being flippant before. ;-)

*Or horses or dogs or whatever creature with four legs.