Very/Vary

Kirk   Mon Dec 19, 2005 12:50 am GMT
<<Most Americans use either the "trap" vowel for "vary/various" (like I do) and some use the "dress" vowel. >>

Most Americans I've heard use the "dress" vowel there.

<<JC Wells also claims that Americans rhyme 'mirror' with 'nearer'. I don't. Not when I'm speaking GenAm and not when I'm speaking RP. I've always used "near" for "nearer" and "kit" for "mirror".>>

Where are you from? I have [I] for "nearer" and "mirror." Note that what Wells references tends to be the majority American pronunciation and by no means represents all Americans.
Jim   Mon Dec 19, 2005 1:40 am GMT
As a speaker of Australian English, I pronounce them differently.

very ==>> /verI/ ==>> [ver\i]
vary ==>> /ve:rI/ ==>> [ve:r\i]

Also

merry ==>> /merI/ ==>> [mer\i]
Mary ==>> /me:rI/ ==>> [me:r\i]
marry ==>> /m{rI/ ==>> [m{r\i]
SpaceFlight   Mon Dec 19, 2005 2:14 am GMT
They're the same for me:

very = /ve@`i/
vary - /ve@`i/

Also

merry - /me@`i/
Mary - /me@`i/
marry - /me@`i/

Jim,

Does your accent lack happy tensing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_English_language#Up_through_American.2FBritish_split_.28c._AD_1600.E2.80.931725.29, or were those /I/s at the end of those words typos?
Jim   Mon Dec 19, 2005 5:17 am GMT
SpaceFlight,

Your link doesn't work as you'd intended it.

"Happy tensing (the term is from Wells 1982): final lax [I] becomes tense [i] in words like happy. ... it is uniformly present in ... Australian English,"

I speak AusE. Must have been typos.
SpaceFlight   Mon Dec 19, 2005 5:21 am GMT
Why is it not working the way I intended it to work?
SpaceFlight   Mon Dec 19, 2005 5:22 am GMT
Wikipedia must be limited in the way it's links work, I guess.
andre in usa   Mon Dec 19, 2005 6:19 am GMT
No, I don't have the furry-ferry merger. I guess it's just that one word, bury. But I am from Philadelphia.
andre in usa   Mon Dec 19, 2005 6:21 am GMT
The above post is a response to "Guest."

<<Do you have the furry-ferry merger?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English-language_vowel_changes_before_historic_r#Furry-ferry_merger>>
César   Mon Dec 19, 2005 2:20 pm GMT
To me, the "e" in "very" is the same as in "get;" and the "a" in "vary" is the same as in "cat."

Since I learned standard American English I decided to stick to the dictionary as best I could.

Check http://dictionary.cambridge.org/.
Sho   Mon Dec 19, 2005 4:50 pm GMT
I pronounce them both the same way...
very & vary /vEri/ or /vE@`i/
Corrs   Fri Jan 13, 2006 12:28 am GMT
I pronounce them differently:

very - /vE4i/
vary - /veri/
Corrs   Fri Jan 13, 2006 12:29 am GMT
<<very - /vE4i/
vary - /veri/>>

Typo.

very - /vE4I/
vary - /verI/
Jim   Fri Jan 13, 2006 12:34 am GMT
No Mary-marrry-merry merger for me. I pronounce "very" and "vary" differently: the vowel in the latter is longer.
Jim   Fri Jan 13, 2006 1:39 am GMT
I've repeated myself. It's best to read the thread before you post.
Jim   Fri Jan 13, 2006 1:57 am GMT