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confusion of phonemes
So I'm noticing the vowel [open-mid back unrounded vowel] ʌ represented in dictionaries are actually 4 phonemes:
ɐ, ɜ, ʌ and ɔ
I know that this is in accordance with the accents, some use a phoneme other accent other phoneme [very well explained in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-mid_back_unrounded_vowel],
but I have noticed in a single accent, examples:
The same person says:
current = /kɜrənt/ -> but represented as: /kʌrənt/
trust = /trʌst/
love = /lɔv/ -> but represented as: /lʌv/
but = /bɐt/ -> but represented as: /bʌt/
Others examples:
currency = /kɜr@nsi/
currently = /kɜr@ntli/
must = /mʌst/
club = /clʌb/
doesn't = /dʌnst/
just = /jʌst/
brush = /brʌS/
much = /mʌtS/
plus = /plʌs/
study = /stʌdi/
rutty = rɔti
construct = k@nstrɔkt
above = @bɔve
bulk = bɔlk
result = rizɔlt
up = ɐp
cup = cɐp
runs = rɐns
some = sɐm
one = wɐn
brunch = brɐnSt
culture = cɐltS@r
come = kɐm
from = frɐm
other = ɐD@r
coutry = kɐntri
I think dictionaries or courses simply can't represent a dialect perfectly and take all of those subtleties into account. It would probably be impossible. They are simplified, but if you notice those features on your own, I would say you don't need dictionary transcriptions or accent reduction courses anymore.
By the way, I don't think that reply was really from MrPedantic.
I found a explanation for this:
The replacement of the lot vowel with the strut vowel in most utterances of the words was, of, from, what and in many utterances of the words everybody, nobody, somebody, anybody; the word because has either /ʌ/ or /ɔ/;[7] want has normally /ɔ/ or /ɑ/, sometimes /ʌ/.[8]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_English
Thanks Guest.
<The same person says:
but = /bɐt/ -> but represented as: /bʌt/ >
There's also the possibility that a person will use one pronunciation when the word is stressed, and another when it isn't.
(Guest was right about that other reply, by the way: 8:36 am GMT is several hours too early for me to post.)
MrP
Your post was, at times, rather incoherent, but your post seems to boil down to "some people pronounce these words as having different vowels, yet the dictionary indicates that they have the same vowel". Perhaps that indicates that the people in question have a nonstandard dialect, rather than that the dictionary is "confusing" phonemes?
Certainly not.
All Americans and British speaks "love" as /lɔv/ [but this "ɔ" is unrounded] and not as /lʌv/, however, "club", at least is spoke like /clʌb/ in American English.
Do you want mean that "up" is pronounced like /ʌp/ in the standard English? I can't believe that "up" has the same quality of vowel than "love" and than "club".
Can you provide an audio file of what you consider "ɔ"? There are sound files embedded in this webpage: http://web.uvic.ca/ling/resources/ipa/charts/IPAlab/IPAlab.htm
Their "ɔ" sounds nothing like the vowel I use for "love", and I do not hear a difference between the vowels for "up", "club", "love", or any of the other words. You can also check out Merriam-Websters entries for the words; they sound like the same vowel to me. I do not know why you feel qualified to speak as to how "all" American and British speak, especially since you're obviously not a native speaker.
<<All Americans and British speaks "love" as /lɔv/ [but this "ɔ" is unrounded] >>
First of all, if it's not rounded it can't be a /ɔ/. Second of all, they don't all speak the same way. There are a lot of regional variations. I think some might even say /lʊv/. I think in most dialects there is no distinction between the vowel in "love" and the one in "club" or "up".
I think I know what you're getting at.
I know people who pronounce the words like "hull", "hulk", "dull", etc. with a very round, open-o like vowel. Only slightly more open then IPA [o].
For me, "buck", "duck", "cut", etc. have the same vowel - but it's more like the upside-down a than the [^]. Which I have in "bug", "dug", "cud", etc. It isn't simply a voicing difference though. "Cut" does not rhyme with "rut" or "gut", which are [r^t] and [g^t]. However, I say "but" as [b^t]. Also, the first syllable of "honey" is the upside-down a, not to be confused with "Hunny" (meaning Hun-like), which has the [^]. If you pardon the language, I do have a minimal pair in "come" (upside down a) and "cum" ([^]). Confused yet?
One issue with words like "current" is that a great deal of Americans have a rhotacized vowel so it's like "krrr-ent". Few have the more British-sounding "kuh-rent", with a clear, non-rhotacized vowel. I have the latter.
Of course I'm from Boston, so all bets are off when it comes to vowel systems.
>> I know people who pronounce the words like "hull", "hulk", "dull" etc. with a very round, open-o like vowel. Only slightly more open then IPA [o] <<
Hull /hVl/
Hulk /hAlk/
Dull /dVl/
Cult /kAlt/
Gulf /gAlf/
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