What to do with redundancy?

MollyB   Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:33 am GMT
Do these contain redundancy, IYO? If so, should we omit the redundancy?

I had a very, very, good day.

Not in many, many, many years have I come across such a jerk.

My love is like a red, red rose.
Very very cool dude   Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:33 am GMT
No, it's a literary technique. It strengthens the expression.
A "very, very good day" is much, much better than a "very good day"
A "red, red rose" is much, much more red, or more poetic, than a "red rose".
Amabo   Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:43 am GMT
"Do these contain redundancy, IYO? If so, should we omit the redundancy?"

These are not actually examples of redundancy. They're examples of repetition for emphatic effect.
MollyB   Thu Jul 16, 2009 1:07 pm GMT
So VVCD and Amabo, how would you define redundancy?
Amabo   Thu Jul 16, 2009 8:30 pm GMT
Redundancy is a dodgy concept in language. It implies a word is somehow "unnecessary".

But if a word were "unnecessary", why would it be included in the first place?
Mufti   Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:10 pm GMT
<It implies a word is somehow "unnecessary". >

I've never accepted that layman's view of redundancy.
Mufti   Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:13 pm GMT
<Redundancy is a dodgy concept>

I'd say "complex", not "dodgy".

language.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redundancy_(language)
Amabo   Fri Jul 17, 2009 7:21 pm GMT
Wikipedia: "In language, redundancy is the use of duplicative, unnecessary or useless wording. Some people expand the definition to include self-contradictory wording."

As I said, it's a dodgy concept.
Damian SW15   Fri Jul 17, 2009 9:57 pm GMT
Redundancy in this context under discussion.....in many cases it can be best desribed as tautology.
Rick   Fri Jul 17, 2009 11:15 pm GMT
Hear are some redundancies.


absolutely essential

absolutely necessary

ACT test

advance forward

advance warning

affluent rich

always and forever

anonymous stranger

associate together

attach together

autobiography of my life

awful bad

bad trouble

basic fundamentals

begin to proceed

boiling hot

bunny rabbit

cash money

cease and desist

Chile pepper

circulated around

classic tradition

close proximity

closed fist

collaborate together with

combined together

complete monopoly

completely filled

component parts

continuing on

crimson red

dark night

delete out

down under

Each and every one of you

elevate up

end result

enter into

evil villain

exactly the same

falling down

famous celebrities

fellow colleagues

Fill in the empty blank

first of all

for your FYI

former graduate

free gift

full satisfaction

gather together

grand total

Greetings & Salutations

handwritten manuscript

HIV virus

hopes and aspirations

hygienic cleaning

I thought to myself

immortalized forever

individual person

inner core

jet plane

KFC chicken

kitty cat

last will and testament

LCD display

live audience

male son

marital spouse

merge together

more easier

my personal opinion

negative misfortune

new discovery

newborn baby

null and void

original founder

over and above

pair of twins

past experience

past tradition

Pie a la mode with ice cream

pizza pie

positive yes

previous history

print out

proposed plan

protective helmet

raise up

repeat again

revert back

rising above

RSVP, please

safe sanctuary

Scotch Whisky

sharp point

sink down

small speck

solitary hermit

specific example

square box

sufficient enough

swampy marsh

temper tantrum

terrible tragedy

tiny bit

true fact

turning around

under cover

unique individual

unmarried old maid

useless and unnecessary

wall murals

whether or not

with au jus gravy

Xerox copy

A.M. in the morning

ABS braking system

academic scholar

added bonus

advance scout

affirmative yes

all inclusive

and etc.

ask a question

at this point in time

automatic ATM machine

baby calf

bare naked

beautiful vista to look out upon

boat marina

brief moment

burning hot

CAT test

Chicken Coq au Vin

chili con carne with meat

circle around

clam chowder soup

climb up

close scrutiny

cold frost

commence to begin

complete stop

completely unanimous

consensus of opinion

convicted felon

crystal clear

deja vu all over again

descend down

duplicate copy

elderly senior citizens

empty hole

empty space

ending outcome

essential necessity

exact replica

extreme hazard

false illusion

favorable approval

female daughter

final farewell

first priority

foreign imports

former veteran

freezing cold

future plans

good success

grateful thanks

growing greater

hanging down

honest truth

hot water heater

I remembered back

ice cold

income coming in

initially from the beginning

it's raining outside

join together

killed dead

knowledgeable experts

latex rubber

little baby

live witness

manually by hand

mental thought

money-saving coupon

More than unique--it's practically one of a kind!

near vicinity

New & Improved

new innovations

Not one single person

oral conversation

other alternatives

P.I.N. number

passing fad

past history

personal friend

Pizza Hut pizza

plait a braid

postponed until later

previously recorded

prior history

protective armor

puppy dog

refer back

return back

Rio Grande River

round circle

safe haven

SAT test

separate out

shrimp scampi

soda pop

soup du jour of the day

spinning around

still remains

surrounded on all sides

tear apart

temporary reprieve

three triplets

toys and playthings

tuna fish

two twins

unexpected surprise

unmarried bachelor

unsolved mysteries

usual custom

V.I.N. number

wear upon

widow woman

written down

youthful teenager
Robin Michael   Fri Jul 17, 2009 11:29 pm GMT
Redundancy

In information theory, something is either 'one' or 'zero'. One state or another.

So, the answer to a question is either 'Yes' or 'No'.

However if when the infomation is being transmitted, there is corruption of the signal - noise - there is a possibility that 'one' may be mistaken for 'zero' or visa versa.

To get round this problem, the signal containing the information is transmitted with some redundancy.

To give an example: To reduce the risk of error, three units are transmitted. If noise corrupts one of these units, the other two units will show what the correct answer is.

In language, you can imagine this excessive information is given by various types of duplication.

To give an example:

Can you come this weekend? Yes I can come this weekend, the weekend of the 18th and 19th of July.

So, if the signal was corrupted.

Can you come this weekend? *** I *** come this weekend, the weekend of the 18th and 19th of July.

The message still gets through.

That is why, speakers of English as a foreign language can still be understood, even though their English is far from perfect.