Has English prevented the US downfall/secession as Chinese?

Shuimo   Sun Nov 01, 2009 1:40 am GMT
Has English prevented the US downfall/secession, just as the Chinese language has done with China by serving as an irreplacebale cultural/emotional bond for people living on a huge-strectched landmass?
sinophobe   Sun Nov 01, 2009 3:41 am GMT
I survived Poughquag   Sun Nov 01, 2009 9:39 am GMT
Back in the glory days of the US, when we were the world's ace manufacturer, we had the same kind of pollution.

Back around 1960, I remember always hating to go though Ticonderoga NY, since there was a huge paper mill near the road that smelled up the whole place for miles around (same thing in Rumsford ME, IIRC).

I remember a single smokestack at the Atlantic Cement company in Ravenna NY (right alongside the NY Thruway) , that used to have a plume of white dust 20+ miles long when the weather conditions were right. Some trees near the plant were even killed off by this cement dust.

At that time, down on the banks of Hudson river near Glens Falls NY, you could see huge quantities of untreated industrial effluent pouring into the river. I think it was a GE plant, back in the day when they still did manufacturing in the NY and the US. It caused some sort of white/yellow chemical foam to rise several feet thick over several acres of river.

Maybe you remember the famous stories about the Cuyahoga River in Cleveland? catching on fire from time to time. How about Donora Pa, back in theearly 1950s?.

Nowadays, all this may be gone, but we face ruin as a nation, because we can't compete with countries that are willing to live with pollution.
A more original nick   Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:56 am GMT
The USA, Canada and perhaps Mexico can always ask to be members of the European Union.

So, the NATO area will be the same as the European Union area, and China will never be the most powerful country on Earth.


The languages of the new Economic Union will be English, Spanish, German and French. So, there is not difference.
nostradamus   Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:51 am GMT
<<The USA, Canada and perhaps Mexico can always ask to be members of the European Union.

So, the NATO area will be the same as the European Union area, and China will never be the most powerful country on Earth.


The languages of the new Economic Union will be English, Spanish, German and French. So, there is not difference. >>


That's based on the assumption that the EU is moving in the right direction. Unfortunately, it is baseless, the EU is an immigrant swamped, stagnating, bureaucratic, apathetic nightmare which is complacently moving in the direction of totalitarianism.
The West is finished. What will the world look like in 100 years?

China will dominate.
The USA, Russia and India will no longer exist as united entities.
Europe will kowtow to the East, maybe it will be united under the EU, but it won't be a paradise, rather something structurally similar to the USSR but much weaker militarily.
Africa and Latin America will be the same as today, poor and of not much consequence.
The middle east will calm down after the US falls, at which point Israel will compromise.
Shuimo   Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:08 am GMT
nostradamus Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:51 am GMT
<<The USA, Canada and perhaps Mexico can always ask to be members of the European Union.

So, the NATO area will be the same as the European Union area, and China will never be the most powerful country on Earth.


The languages of the new Economic Union will be English, Spanish, German and French. So, there is not difference. >>


That's based on the assumption that the EU is moving in the right direction. Unfortunately, it is baseless, the EU is an immigrant swamped, stagnating, bureaucratic, apathetic nightmare which is complacently moving in the direction of totalitarianism.
The West is finished. What will the world look like in 100 years?

China will dominate.
The USA, Russia and India will no longer exist as united entities.
Europe will kowtow to the East, maybe it will be united under the EU, but it won't be a paradise, rather something structurally similar to the USSR but much weaker militarily.
Africa and Latin America will be the same as today, poor and of not much consequence.
The middle east will calm down after the US falls, at which point Israel will compromise.
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Why don't you say China might collapse like USSR someday?
Ouch McCouch   Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:16 pm GMT
<<Why don't you say China might collapse like USSR someday? >>

I suppose it will happen someday, but probably more than 100 years from now. No empire can last forever, although it appears that they can fall and rise again later.

Who will be the next big superpower after China fades away? I wonder if the Chinese will eliminate all the non-Chinese inhabitants of the Earth while they have the chance, perhaps 25-50 years from now, before they start their decline? This way they can insure that they can never again be challenged for supremacy.
Skippy   Mon Nov 02, 2009 7:24 pm GMT
China is not entrenched in international institutions like the US. The US may not be as powerful as China (and this will be quite some time from now) but China does not have the same relationship with the EU states that the US does, NATO, the World Bank, IMF, etc.
doomsayer   Mon Nov 02, 2009 7:51 pm GMT
<<China does not have the same relationship with the EU states that the US does, NATO, the World Bank, IMF, etc. >>

With an eventual 30+ million man army, China will not need to have international relationships with anyone. They'll just do whatever they want, wherever they want, and whenever they want -- no diplomacy needed.

They will have to find a way to persuade the West (including Russia, Pakistan, Iran, India, etc.) into nuclear disarmament before they can reach complete supremacy. Also, early on, it might be helpful to con the US and other countries into going back to a pre-inustrial subsistence farming economy, in order to slow down global warming. As a "developing economy" China would of course be exempt. Fostering extreme Political Correctness in the West is another great preliminary strategy.
pija   Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:08 pm GMT
The USA or Russia will never disarm completely. They're just getting rid of defunct 50 year old nukes. All the rest is rhetoric. Frankly, I can't see why people would support disarmament, doomsayer's post shows why it would be silly. Why go through another WWII style conventional war when you can nullify a 30 million man army just by having one nuke?