Spanish is a lightweight language of the world

Visitor   Tue May 04, 2010 12:41 pm GMT
The weight of the Spanish in the world

Given that Spanish is not strongly rooted in the whole of Europe (as opposed to South America where it is ubiquitous everywhere, except in Brazil) and is represented only symbolically in Africa (in Equatorial Guinea where it is official), it appears as an essentially American language. Moreover, no Hispanic country is considered as great industrial power globally, no, not even Mexico, can hope to acquire at a weight equivalent to that of Germany, the United Kingdom, France or Italy. This results in some industrial and technological dependence, but also linguistically; Spanish, like most other world languages, suffers from a certain underdevelopment of scientific vocabulary, and a sub-Radiation Sciences and technology at the expense of English.

Translated from: http://www.tlfq.ulaval.ca/axl/francophonie/francophonie.htm

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Visitor   Tue May 04, 2010 1:05 pm GMT
The Fanatic Frogs like me are arrogants, Fanatics, stupids, liers and dreamers. We know that French is in free fall, but it doesn't matter. I close my eyes and I dream that all people in the World speak French.

I know that I am stupid and French is out of the top ten languages and even it is less spoken than Tamil, but I am a stupid dreamer and I can't do anything.

<<Chinese, Hindi, Spanish and Portuguese--possibly also Russian, Malay, Persian and Arabic--have the potential to increase within their vast regions, and perhaps even globally>>



We can see again the most powerful languages. Nicholas Ostler and Forbes are neutral and we can confirm several data:

1. Chinese, Hindi and Spanish will be the languages of the XXI century along with English.

2. Portuguese, Russian, Malay, Persian and Arabic can be also in the top layer depending on several points.

3. French, German and Japanese won't be in the 2 top layers. These languages are the losers of this new World order in languages. It is very interesting to confirm that French is really in free fall.


This data from Nicholas Osler are very similar to other data, like for example the expert in languages, David Graddol.




In Short, French language is in free fall. What funny data!

All people shouting together: French language is in free fall!

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Guest.   Tue May 04, 2010 1:15 pm GMT
The Hyper-Fanatics Flies like me are arrogants, Hyper-Fanatics, idots, liars and hallucinators. We know that Spanish-speaking world is shrinking, but it doesn't matter. I close my eyes and I dream that all people in the World never speak Spanish.

I know that I am stupid and Spanish is out of the top five languages and even it is less spoken as secondary language than Swahili, but I am a stupid hallucinator and I can't do anything.

<<English and French are the only working languages of the UN.

English and French are the only working languages of the International Court of Justice

English, French, and German are the only working languages of the EU.

French is the language of The European Court of Justice

English, Russian, French, German, and Japanese are the dominant languages on science while Spanish is slipping from the list.

In the Economic and Social Council, as of 2007, there are three three are working languages (English, French, and Russian).

The working languages of NATO/OTAN are French and English

English and French are the only 2 global languages. >>

We can see again the most powerful languages. The most powerful international institutions have them as working languages and it's a confirmation that they're the most useful language of the XXI century. as

1.French, Russian, and German will be the working languages of international institutions languages of the XXI century along with English.

2. Portuguese, Italian, and Japanese can be also in the top layer depending on several points.

3. Hindi, Chinese, and Spanish won't be in the 2 top layers. These languages are the losers of this new World order in languages. It is very interesting to confirm that Spanish is really in disintegration and its world is shrinking.

This data from Nicholas Osler are very similar to other data, like for example the expert in languages, David Graddol which are based on the number of native speakers alone and mere opinions.


In Short, Spanish-speaking world is shrinking. What hilarious data!

All people shouting together: Spanish-speaking world is shrinking!

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Penetra   Tue May 04, 2010 1:22 pm GMT
Spanish is understood by many Moroccoans too. I would say that there are more Spanish speakers in Morocco than in Equatorial Guinea despite Spanish is not an official language there. Also Spanish is spoken in Canary Islands, Ceuta and Melilla. These places are in Africa too.
Invitado   Tue May 04, 2010 1:22 pm GMT
<< Given that Spanish is not strongly rooted in the whole of Europe (as opposed to South America where it is ubiquitous everywhere, except in Brazil) and is represented only symbolically in Africa (in Equatorial Guinea where it is official), it appears as an essentially American language. >>

True! Many patrons of this forum made several threads that Spanish is unimportant in Europe and they were confirmed by this article.

<< Moreover, no Hispanic country is considered as great industrial power globally, no, not even Mexico, can hope to acquire at a weight equivalent to that of Germany, the United Kingdom, France or Italy. >>

It's also said by may in this forum that one of the greatest weaknesses of Spanish is it's countries are technologically and industrial laggard.

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Visitor   Tue May 04, 2010 1:32 pm GMT
Moroccan Press Needs an Effective Newspaper in English

Morocco is a country which shows great interest regarding press. The number of newspapers and magazines in this country has grown rapidly in the last few years. Many publications have come into the market, relying not only on the annual financial and technical support provided by the state, but also on the constitutional right which allows citizens to publish different sorts of publications (political, economic, artistic, professional...).

Today Morocco has got more than 400 titles including: daily, weekly, monthly, annual, biannual and irregular publications, written most of the time in three languages: Arabic, French and the Amazigh language. Significant statistics by Maghreb Arab Press Agency (MAP), on the written press and the public audio-visual communication in Morocco in 2006, show that the Arabic language titles come first by an average of (70,86pc), followed by the French language ones which represent (26,88pc) than the titles appearing in the Amazigh language by (2,26pc). The question should be asked here is a simple one: what about the Moroccan publications written in the English language? Considering this latter commonly used as a medium for the communication of information and news all over the world.

A part of the answer to this question goes back to 1877, when the first weekly newspaper written in the English language was launched in Morocco under the name of "Maghreb Al Aksa". Today morocco lacks such publications written in English in spite of the repeated attempts to fill the gap occurring at this level.

The last attempt was that of "The Casablanca Analyst" . A Moroccan English language independent weekly newspaper of general information which used to be appear irregularly. "The Casablanca Analyst" launched its first issue in May 2007, and the last one to appear was the fifth issue, in May 2008. That is to say, five issues during one year. A period in which "The Casablanca Analyst" shed light on several serious issues, such that of the Western Sahara conflict and the occupied Moroccan enclaves of Ceuta and Melillia. This was in addition to tackling many other interesting topics in business, society and culture as well as showing a great concern towards literature.

As a matter of fact, before the "Casablanca Analyst" there was already an English language newspaper in Morocco, which was born under the light of modern technology and the global distribution of the internet network.

It's "Morocco Times" which was started on November22, 2004 as an electronic internet based newspaper. "Morocco Times" www.moroccotimes.com was under the ownership of "Group Maroc Soir"; one of the major publishing houses which owns several newspapers and online titles in Morocco. Unfortunately, "Morocco Times" stopped being published at the end of October 2006, few weeks before its second birthday. The reason behind this decision still unknown until now, though "Group Maroc Soir" is a strong publishing house which owns official and semi-official organs of the government notably the pioneer French daily " Le Matin" and the Arabic title "Assahraa Al Maghribia".

"Morocco Today" is another experience that looks like "The Morocco Times", to some extent. It is also an electronic internet newspaper which tries to attract English-speaking tourists and investors, through defining Morocco as an interesting destination for both tourism and business. Based on what it is written in "Morocco Today" website www.moroccotoday.net the e-paper's lifetime goes over 20 years old. It has received The Golden Web Award, a prize presented quarterly by The International Association of Web Master and Designers to those sites whose web design and content have achieved a level of excellence deserving recognition. However, at the time being it is something quite clear, to everyone, that the content of this portal stopped being updated for so long. Now, if you open "Morocco Today" website, certainly you'll find the same articles which are just translated from French or Arabic in some cases. Unfortunately after having contacted "Morocco Today" several times, so I could have more information, no answer I've received, which asserts that this portal is no longer working. (editors note: The View from Fez also checked this site and it was inactive)

At the present time Morocco has only one «timid» voice in English named "Morocco Newsline". It is the last portal to appear in the Moroccan media scene and which is still alive up to now. Morocco Newsline is an online interactive magazine that is trying to involve the reader in the process of writing. It is broken down into several areas of interest: politics, business, society, arts, culture, travels, fashion and so on. Some of the articles published on this portal are those written by the MAP (Maghreb Arab Press Agency), others are those already written by Reuters news agency. As the other titles, defining Morocco, attracting some tourists and investors to the country and trying to gain some supporters, as far as Western Sahara issue is concerned. These are the main goals behind creating this portal.

Actually no one can deny that Morocco is a multilingual nation, where a variety of languages is used in everyday life; Moroccan Arabic is the mother tongue, Berber or Tamazight is a mother tongue and an unofficial national language spoken by almost 2 thirds of Moroccans, the standard Arabic constitutionally is an official language, French is considered as a first foreign language while English and Spanish in addition to the other vivid languages are of secondary importance. Based on this «traditional equation» it seems quite normal to find in Morocco huge publications written just in Arabic, French and the Amazigh language.

However, the wind of change has brought an other dimension to this equation; the growing importance of English, across the globe, should be dealt with seriously today. English is considered as a global language, spoken as a native language by almost 375 million people and as a second language by around 375 million speakers too. According to a research by the British Council, one out of four of the world's population speaks English to some level of competence and the demand from the other three-quarters is increasing.

This tells us that a strong title in English at the present time, either in print or internet, is needed in Morocco for a simple reason: the benefit of the international press and the international public opinion, since more than half of the newspapers published in the world are published in English. Even in some countries where English is a minority language, we can find at least one newspaper in English.

To recall, while such shortage in terms of news and information written in English is observed in Morocco, numerous publications written in the same language are easily to be found in this country, either those coming from the east like: the daily "Saudi Gazette" and the weekly Egyptian "El Ahram", or those coming from the west like: "The Daily Mail", "The Daily Telegraph", "Financial Times", "The Independent" , "The Herald Tribune" and many other titles which address foreign English-speakers in Morocco. On the other hand, Moroccans who enjoy reading some news and information in English make a great effort to find some articles on the net which may respond their expectations.

N.B. Recently the landscape of English-speaking media in Morocco has been boosted by launching another online news website: www.yacout.info that is considered to be the first Moroccan English-speaking online magazine.

http://moroccotimes.over-blog.com/pages/Moroccan_Press_Needs_an_Effective_Newspaper_in_English-1733322.html
Penetre   Tue May 04, 2010 1:41 pm GMT
Spanish is the second most in demand foreign language in Morocco nowadays after English.

Sorry, it's not what you're thinking. French is the de facto official language of Morocco. MSA is the official by constitution. French is not treated as a foreign language in Morocco.

Therefore, Spanish has slipped from the first foreign language taught to second in Morocco.

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Guest.   Wed May 05, 2010 2:01 am GMT
LET'S MAKE SOME COMPARISON:

French is studied as a foreign language by some 200 million people (making it the second most learnt language in the world - after English.)

http://www.stgeorges.co.uk/foreign-languages/french-courses/

According to Spain's 20 Minutos, there are now more than 14 million people studying Spanish in 90 countries in which Spanish is not an official language. According to the Director of the Instituto Cervantes -- the Spanish organization that looks to promote the language all over the world -- one of the main reasons that people are choosing to study Spanish is because they believe that it willprofessionally benefit them in today's global economy. He also pointed to Brazil's decision to make Spanish an mandatory subject in schools as an example of the growing importance of Spanish in the world. There are currently one million Spanish speakers in Brazil butMolina estimates that in 10 years there will be more than 30 million Spanish-speaking Brazilians, adding to the already 500 million Spanish speakers in America and Spain, making it the fourth most spoken language in the world, after Chinese, English and Hindi. Brazil's new Spanish initiative will call for 210,000 Spanish teachers to teach the language. Molina, speaking at a language school conference in Coruña, Spain, also said that the United States -- currently with (according to his estimate) 36 million Spanish speakers -- is the frontier that must be conquered, calling it "a decisive platform for Spanish to reaffirm its role as the second language of international communication."

2007/04/27

http://vivirlatino.com/2007/04/27/spanish-second-most-studied-language-worldwide.php

200 million who learn French - 14 million who learn Spanish = 186 million million more French learner than Spanish.

200 million divided by 14 million = 14.28571428571429 times more students of French than Spanish.

THERE YOU HAVE IT GUYS, THE HISPANIC CAN NO LONGER CHEAT BECAUSE ACCORDING TO INSTITUTO CERVANTES, SPANISH IS STUDIED BY JUST 14 MILLION WHILE ACCORDING TO UK BASED ST. GEORGE INTERNATIONAL FRENCH IS LEARNED BY 200 MILLION PEOPLE.

SO, THE HISPANICS HAVE NO REASON TO SAY THAT THE DATA IS BIASED BECAUSE THE SGI OF UK MADE THE RESEARCH.

SO HOW COME SPANISH ALONG WITH CHINESE AND HINDI CAN BECOME THE LANGUAGE OF THE XXI CENTURY IF THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS WHO LEARN IT IS NOT EVEN 1/4 OF THE NUMBER WHO LEARN FRENCH?

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Invitado   Wed May 05, 2010 2:03 am GMT
La Francophonie made an error that:

The number of people studying French or learning the language has also increased, from 90 million in 2002 to 118 million as of the moment.

When actually there are 200 million people who learn French as a foreign language (making it the second most learnt language in the world - after English.) according to the report of UK based Saint George International.

Russian statistics state that 20 million foreigners studying Russian and this is in 90 countries.

http://www.tlfq.ulaval.ca/axl/francophonie/francophonie.htm

According to Spain's 20 Minutos, there are now more than 14 million people studying Spanish in 90 countries in which Spanish is not an official language. According to the Director of the Instituto Cervantes.....

http://vivirlatino.com/2007/04/27/spanish-second-most-studied-language-worldwide.php

WHICH MEANS RUSSIAN IS MORE STUDIED, LEARNED AND TAUGHT WORLDWIDE THAN SPANISH.

SO, THERE YOU HAVE IT FOLKS. SPANISH IS NOT THE 2ND, 3RD AND 4TH MOST STUDIED, TAUGHT AND LEARNED LANGUAGE IN THE WORLD BUT IT'S FRENCH, GERMAN http://mydifl.com/languages.htm AND RUSSIAN IN THAT ORDER.

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Semanario de Filipinas   Thu May 06, 2010 7:42 pm GMT
The National Center for Education Statistics reports that most U.S. high school students enrolled in a foreign language are studying Spanish (69 percent) or French (18 percent).

Internet (aka Global self-learning School):
http://www.internetworldstats.com/images/languages2009.png
http://www.internetworldstats.com/images/spanish2009pr.png

P.S.
Would the administrators please change the anti-spam string from "What French word describes the color of this page's background? " to something more universal and globally understood, please?
You are keeping the largest portion of Mankind out of this forum with such a petty ridiculous chauvinist filter.
Gracias.
Savoir Faire   Fri May 07, 2010 9:15 am GMT
<< P.S.
Would the administrators please change the anti-spam string from "What French word describes the color of this page's background? " to something more universal and globally understood, please?
You are keeping the largest portion of Mankind out of this forum with such a petty ridiculous chauvinist filter.
Gracias. >>

And what do you want to replace? Blanco?

Baloney, bianco is more widely understood than bianco.
-Sp-   Fri May 07, 2010 9:19 am GMT
<< The National Center for Education Statistics reports that most U.S. high school students enrolled in a foreign language are studying Spanish (69 percent) or French (18 percent). >>

Even though, but that cannot change the fact that far more people learn English, French, German, and Russian than Spanish as a foreign language.
Alba   Fri May 07, 2010 8:56 pm GMT
Hopefully many Americans can now understand Spanish and appreciate the language, all the opposite of Spanish haters.
I dedicate these videos to all women in this forum who don't hate Spanish:

burning - que hace una chica como tu en un sitio como este
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5vcTSgj7fw&feature=related
cristina y los subterraneos voy en un coche
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC83zqsO9ak
Tu por mi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL5yw3BKjZg
Las chicas son guerreras - Coz:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6ATkbIVHvs
Mas Sexy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TE4r4WbgeE
Ella es un Volcan - La Union
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM5LX0g7iN0
Vuelve El Amor - La Union
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obnbKoWjLEQ
la unión -negrita
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EpRwFQXUPE
La Union - Mas y mas
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M4WkrppFk0
Gabinete Caligari - Cuatro rosas
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OB-FqfSOixs&feature=related
El Canto Del Loco - Besos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFAcKMeOzus&feature=related
Las Chicas no tienen pilila - Los Inhumanos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTS86RVK_Kc&feature=related


And above all dear friends: ♪ .... No hay probleeeema ♫ .... ♪ Ponte a reir ♫
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Mallorquí   Fri May 07, 2010 9:01 pm GMT
**   Fri May 07, 2010 9:15 pm GMT
La van a meter al trullo ¿no,mallorquí?. Espero que alli no de el cante.