Are the Dutch more right-wing than we are led to believe?

Pablo   Sat May 15, 2010 12:31 pm GMT
The Dutch are thought of as the PC wimps of the world, but a few people have said that the PCness of Holland is very much for show and the people themselves aren't very PC at all.

The sort of people who when asked will say they love foreigners, and if absolutely forced would talk to one, but otherwise subconciously avoid foreigners, especially non-whites and wouldn't give a black man the time of day.

In my experience this seems quite accurate, the Dutch strike me as an insular bunch who are desparate to portray themselves as open and liberal, but deep down are quite closed and conservative people.

They do this by making foreigners believe that the only place in the Netherlands is Amsterdam, and that outside the city boundary of Amsterdam is just void, nothing. The Dutch seem to want to keep all the foreigners and tourists in Amsterdam, and keep the rest of the country for themselves.

It strikes me that people conclude the Dutch are liberal wimps upon seeing Amsterdam, which is indeed a distastefully left-wing city, but it seems a lot of Dutch don't really identify with Amsterdam and view it as where the tourists go.
Baldewin   Sat May 15, 2010 12:51 pm GMT
Dutch self-hatred in action, failed American accent included.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYwPimYdCK8
But then you also have this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dX6wJXAteI

Yes, Dutch are two-faced Calvinist hypocrites. In the XVIIth century, when their religiosity culminated, a VOC leader would answer when asked about the luxury he portrayed: "this painting is God's-given beauty" to hide just the fact he was very attached to visual art.
Pablo   Sat May 15, 2010 1:11 pm GMT
When you say "two-faced", do you mean the Dutch are basically right-wing and nationalistic, while being left-wing at the same time?

I have a job working out the Dutch, Geert Wilders has one of the biggest followings of any right-wing, nationalist leader in Europe, and yet at the same time the Dutch are Muslim-loving, Christianity hating left-wing wimps.

Is the Netherlands a highly devided nation, or are the Dutch caught between two conflicting ideologies?
Baldewin   Sat May 15, 2010 1:17 pm GMT
Dutch are actually very cynical! They 'use' a left-wing façade just to sell themselves as tolerant. It's obvious. Ever read about the Glorious Revolution? A Dutch army invaded England, overthrew their government and replaced their monarch, and called it all Glorious. Englishmen believed in their propaganda! Funny thing is that the Dutch at the time were sandwiched between France and England and very vulnerable.
Calvo   Sat May 15, 2010 1:37 pm GMT
Same thing applies to Danish.
And Norwegians.
And Finnish even.

Not to Swedish though.
JJ   Sat May 15, 2010 1:50 pm GMT
Why are we always discussing Europeans?????


Are the Japanese, Chinese any better or are people just obsessed with attacking white people all the time?
Anglo South African   Mon May 17, 2010 12:39 pm GMT
Yes Dutch are right wing. Like in South Africa, they love racial purity and hide one of the biggest arms industries in world.
honky   Mon May 17, 2010 6:22 pm GMT
the dutch do have a far right party
questions   Mon May 17, 2010 6:28 pm GMT
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crunch   Mon May 17, 2010 11:11 pm GMT
<<Are the French more right-wing than we are led to believe?
Are the English more right-wing than we are led to believe?
Are the Spanish more right-wing than we are led to believe?
Are the German more right-wing than we are led to believe?
Are the Italian more right-wing than we are led to believe?
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Are the Danish more right-wing than we are led to believe?
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Fuck off, you've obviously never dealt with the Dutch if you think they're comparable to the rest of Europeans. Yes, most Europeans are fucked up too, but the Dutch are the leaders in this enterprise.
JJ   Tue May 18, 2010 9:35 am GMT
There is No way the Dutch can be right wing... please give me a break... you only have to walk down Amsterdam to see the tolerance... I think the Dutch should start becoming more right wing before the loose their country to the muslims...
Pundit   Tue May 18, 2010 11:25 am GMT
<< you only have to walk down Amsterdam to see the tolerance >>
Amsterdam is not Holland in the same way that Berlin is not Germany
ng   Tue May 18, 2010 12:09 pm GMT
Well at least you finally managed to start a thread not using "spineless". That's some progress.
LoveTheDUTCH   Tue May 18, 2010 1:19 pm GMT
You know what they say.... if you ain't Dutch, you ain't much! Make so much sense now.