Turkish question

man   Sat Jun 12, 2010 6:18 pm GMT
How Turkish word kiz (girl) is pronounced, like a kiz or kaiz?? Thank you very much.
man   Sat Jun 12, 2010 6:58 pm GMT
Merhaba arkades, please answer my question. Cok tesekur ederim! ;)
Grand Vezir   Sat Jun 12, 2010 7:33 pm GMT
Wiktionary says [kɯz]
Grand Vezir   Sat Jun 12, 2010 7:36 pm GMT
Such a rare and interesting sound, that close back unrounded vowel.
man to Grand Vezir   Sat Jun 12, 2010 8:04 pm GMT
Many thanks! I would love to hear how it sounds, I mean, the word 'kiz', do you, please know a link? Does the vowel 'ɯ' sounds like in a word 'kadin' (woman) ?? Thank you very much in advance!
Grand Vezir   Sat Jun 12, 2010 8:19 pm GMT
Yes, it's the same sound. Read all about and hear it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Close_back_unrounded_vowel
man   Sun Jun 13, 2010 1:32 pm GMT
Many thanks!

Does turkish '''ı'' and Russian ''ы'' is the same sound?
poiu   Sun Jun 13, 2010 1:35 pm GMT
so the turkish "i" is the same sound as in portuguese vIzinho, pEgar..
man   Sun Jun 13, 2010 1:46 pm GMT
Unfortuantely I dont speak Portugues, but I am fluent in Russian.
Grand Vezir   Sun Jun 13, 2010 1:53 pm GMT
@man:
<<Does turkish '''ı'' and Russian ''ы'' is the same sound?>>
Almost, evidently: ''ы'' represents the close central (not back!) unrounded vowel, [ɨ].

@poiu:
<<so the turkish "i" is the same sound as in portuguese vIzinho, pEgar..>>
No, not Turkish "i", [i], but Turkish "ı", [ɯ], is the same as that vowel in those Portuguese words.
Grand Vezir   Sun Jun 13, 2010 2:03 pm GMT
BTW it's "kız", not "kiz", which has another pronunciation!

Strictly speaking one should also write İstanbul with a dotted capital i to avoid confusion!
man   Sun Jun 13, 2010 2:23 pm GMT
Thank you very much! I am learning Turkish language now. In my opinion Turkish sounds extremely awsome and it has fascinating gramar, because its aglutinative!
man   Mon Jun 14, 2010 6:41 pm GMT
Kız g├╝zel = beautiful girl. ;)))
woman   Tue Jun 15, 2010 8:23 pm GMT
Turkish women have penises, as Turkish men have vaginas.