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The tongue(s) of Charlemagne
to Daan <<He spoke a *Germanic* (as opposed to "German") language that modern-day linguists call "Old Frankish.">>
*Germanic* is not opposed to German, *Germanic* is simply "Old German", and Herstal beeing since 1830 in "Belgium" is not a proof that Charlemagne was not a German in 800.
Herstal? It is actually claimed that he was born in Prüm, a city in Germany.
Well, at least he was born in Austria, that exciting transitional zone between Romance France and Germanic Germany.
<<Herstal? It is actually claimed that he was born in Prüm, a city in Germany.>>
Whether Prüm, Herstal or Aachen, where and when Charlemagne was born isn't a known fact, unless you have proof otherwise. wikipedia: "At present, it is impossible to be certain of the date of the birth of Charlemagne. The best guesses include April 1, 747, after April 15, 747, or April 1, 748, in Herstal (where his father was born), a city close to Liège, in Belgium, the region from which both the Meroving and Caroling families originate. He went to live in his father's villa in Jupille when he was around seven, which caused Jupille to be listed as possible place of birth in almost every history book. Other cities have been suggested, including, Prüm, Düren, or Aachen."
It is mentioned in some history science books that Hugh Capet was the first germanic ruler of Neustria/France who could talk to his vulgar-roman-(French-)speaking people without the help of a tranlator....
Hugh Capet was born c. 938 — died Oct. 14, 996, Paris, he was King of France (987–996), the founder of the Capetian dynasty
Non, en fait Hugues Capet était romanophone de naissance et ne comprenait pas le francique : il avait besoin d'un interprète pour comprendre la langue *germanique*.
Hugh Capet was the son of Hedwig of Saxony and later, when he was not yet an adult, his uncle Bruno, Archbishop of Cologne, acted as his regent. Hugh's first cousin was Otto II - all were 100% germanic and very important people for Hughs career. It is difficult to believe that Hugh did not understand the tongue of his mother, his uncle and his cousin...
<<Hugh Capet was the son of Hedwig of Saxony and later, when he was not yet an adult, his uncle Bruno, Archbishop of Cologne, acted as his regent. Hugh's first cousin was Otto II - all were 100% germanic and very important people for Hughs career. It is difficult to believe that Hugh did not understand the tongue of his mother, his uncle and his cousin... >>
The maternal language of Hugh Capet was Roman (archaic form of Gallo-Romance). You don't believe me? But it's the reality... Search on Google. Another reality, the first English king who speak the vernacular language (English) and not norman-french as a maternal language was Henry IV (1399-1413) The Oxford university made textbook only in French until 1349.
<<Another reality, the first English king who speak the vernacular language (English) and not norman-french as a maternal language was Henry IV (1399-1413)
>> WRONG! The first English King was Egbert (827-839) and he spoke ENGLISH.
« Guest » : « WRONG! The first English King was Egbert (827-839) and he spoke ENGLISH. »
Perdu ! Il parlait le vieil-anglais (une langue que tu ne comprendrais pas).
<<The maternal language of Hugh Capet was Roman (archaic form of Gallo-Romance).>>
How can the MATERNAL language of Hugh Capet have been Roman if his MOTHER Hedwig of Saxony was German, and not some average German woman but the daughter of Henry I the Fowler and his wife Matilda of Ringelheim? Henry I the Fowler was the first of the Ottonian Dynasty of German kings and emperors, he is generally considered to be the founder and first king of the medieval German state, known until then as East Francia. <<You don't believe me? >> That's true. <<But it's the reality... Search on Google.>> Google is not always the best source - do you know the original source? Who has written down this not unimportant detail of the life of Hugh Capet?
<<Another reality, the first English king who speak the vernacular language (English) and not norman-french as a maternal language was Henry IV (1399-1413) >>
Don't you mean the first English king to speak English as a first language after the Norman conquest was Henry IV? The Anglo Saxon kings who reigned before the Norman conquest spoke English albeit Old English.
<<in "827-839"!!!???? impossible! >>
Yes, Possible and Matter-of-Fact-ly. <<Perdu ! Il parlait le vieil-anglais (une langue que tu ne comprendrais pas). >> Old English IS English. btw, No English speaker today would be able to understand Henry IV's English either. |