How proficient is a high-intermediate level of speaking?

H2O   Mon Sep 25, 2006 4:38 pm GMT
How exactly is this defined? Is someone considered fluent if they speak at this level? What constitutes such a level?
Tiffany   Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:23 pm GMT
I interpret high-intermediate to mean "advanced". If that is the case, I feel I am at a high-intermediate level in Italian. I do not feel fluent in Italian, but would consider others at a similar level in English to be able to hold meaningful conversations. In others, they'd be able to live and study (although you'd be learning the langauge as well as the subject during lectures) in an English-speaking country. Likewise, I think I could live and study in Italy. It might be hard to study, but full immersion does wonders.

I would define fluent as being able to talk on a certain level about everything, with minimal mistakes. For instance, my husband who is Italian is someone I would consider fluent in English. Now, he doesn't know every English word, but he has no trouble talking about anything, even if he has to describe the situation or object he wants, though this is used minimally with him.
H2O   Mon Sep 25, 2006 7:47 pm GMT
So, with the completion of Pimsleur level 3, will a person truly be at a high-intermediate level of speaking? Would they be considered relatively fluent?
Tiffany   Mon Sep 25, 2006 7:54 pm GMT
Can't say. I never put much stock in those online language learning series and have thus never really used one.

What language are you studying?
H20   Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:29 pm GMT
Well, how else can you teach yourself a language? How much would someone who spoke at high-intermediate be able to understand and speak? At that level, could you function in society and complete all common tasks like working, or talking amongst friends in a detailed conversation?
Guest   Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:45 pm GMT
What is high intermediate level anyways? Never heard of that one
Estos maes si joden   Mon Sep 25, 2006 11:20 pm GMT
de que hablan estos maes que no entiendo. diay vengo aqui solo a ver eso posts de estos carebarros. no sera que son italianos estos maes dejen de joder largensen para la chosa mejor o busquen una wila por hay para apretar
Sergio   Mon Sep 25, 2006 11:25 pm GMT
>>>Estos maes si joden Mon Sep 25, 2006 11:20 pm GMT
de que hablan estos maes que no entiendo. diay vengo aqui solo a ver eso posts de estos carebarros. no sera que son italianos estos maes dejen de joder largensen para la chosa mejor o busquen una wila por hay para apretar<<<


Y ahora que vendes? No entiendo ni jota , tio.
Guest   Mon Sep 25, 2006 11:29 pm GMT
vender que, no jodas acaso vendo algo
Sergio   Mon Sep 25, 2006 11:30 pm GMT
Jajaja, matias!
Sergio   Tue Sep 26, 2006 12:44 am GMT
Al otro Sergio,

Hola tocayo, por favor, escoge una variante diferente de tu nombre, para no confundirnos. Yo soy el Sergio de México que ha estado escribiendo los últimos dos meses aquí.

Saludos,
Geoff_One   Tue Sep 26, 2006 4:52 am GMT
<< What is high intermediate level anyways? >>
A proposal: This is where one knows between 3000 to 5000 words (the most commonly used words - most important) in the language under consideration and has considerable experience in putting these words into phrases, sentences and paragraphs. At around 6000 words you
are just touching advanced level. 30000 words - reasonably intelligent
native speaker.

Note: - The above proposal is not my original work - it has been adapted
from many sources.
Boy   Tue Sep 26, 2006 7:24 am GMT
Geoff_one:

Lets suppose, you are a native speaker of English, can you tell exactly what level of language one has if you have a look at their writing skills?

I mean, like high-intermediate or advanced level??

Also, what is the best way to come closer to a reasonably intelligent native speaker?
H2O   Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:34 pm GMT
So does Pimsleur raise you to a high-intermediate level as they claim?