I should probably point out that only 21.6% of British citizens actually 'voted for' Tony Blair in the most broad sense. But it doesn't quite work like that here anyway, because one doesn't 'vote for' the prime minister as such.
Why do people look down on Spanish?
Why did you delete my post, Brennus?
I didn't say anything bad, did I?!
And why don't you remove posts like this kind of sort:
--Why is it very fun to learn, and what's so particularly interesting about German culture? Anglophones have achieved much more than Germans.--
I didn't say anything bad, did I?!
And why don't you remove posts like this kind of sort:
--Why is it very fun to learn, and what's so particularly interesting about German culture? Anglophones have achieved much more than Germans.--
Why do some of you insist over and over again about what should be the "best one" based on absurd and superficial "arguments" ?
there is not a best language only a country with "more" achivements in one or more fields ,or a richer country .
The language importacy is a result of the country 's impact in the world economy.
there is not a best language only a country with "more" achivements in one or more fields ,or a richer country .
The language importacy is a result of the country 's impact in the world economy.
--Why is it very fun to learn, and what's so particularly interesting about German culture? Anglophones have achieved much more than Germans.--
How is this comment, and the above discussion, related to the topic "WHY DO PEOPLE LOOK DOWN ON SPANISH? "
Is this discussion about Spanish language and prejudice or about Germanophones and Anglophones?
How is this comment, and the above discussion, related to the topic "WHY DO PEOPLE LOOK DOWN ON SPANISH? "
Is this discussion about Spanish language and prejudice or about Germanophones and Anglophones?
It couldn't be more off topic!
Brennus: how come your moderation is so lame here?
Brennus: how come your moderation is so lame here?
I think that this thread has definitely run its course. We are now getting many messages that are not related to the topic.
--- Brennus - Moderating on the Portuguese thread
--- Brennus - Moderating on the Portuguese thread
LAA : « Music, pop culture, movies, etc. - U.S. dominates on the global scene. Points to the Anglophones. »
Certainement pas si l'on se place au niveau de la qualité et non de la quantité.
Déjà, ce serait intéressant que tu définisses ce que tu entends par «pop culture». C'est télé + macdo ?
Ensuite, au niveau musical, désolé de te contredire mais la contribution des germanophones à la formation du répertoire classique écrase celle des Anglo-saxons dont l'impact est infinitésimal. Les seuls qui se puissent comparer aux germanophones sont les Italiens, les Français et autres nationalités européennes qu'il serait trop long d'énumérer ici.
Au niveau du cinéma, les États-Unis ont connu leur âge d'or il y a quelques décennies déjà. Aujourd'hui, c'est de la soupe à 90 %.
LAA : « Technology, finance, science, etc. - U.S. (anglophones) dominates again, along with Britain, although Germany also has many achievements in this area. »
Je pense que tu te trompes.
L'Italie de la renaissance avait pratiquement tout inventé en matière financière. Le reste n'est que perfectionnement dû à la mondialisation débutée en 1492.
Au niveau scientifique, les anglophones sont très loin de dominer. Par exemple la conquête spatiale (initiée et réussie dès le départ par les Soviétiques) est, pour les États-Unis, issue d'un cerveau germanophone : celui de von Braun.
LAA : « Martial Prowess/historical geo-political influence, etc. - Anglophones win by a long shot. Britain and the U.S. defeated Germany and her allies in both World Wars. »
Ça se saurait si le Royaume-Uni avait vaincu l'Allemagne hitlérienne ! Non, ceux qui ont réellement permis l'anéantissement de l'armée nazie ce sont l'Armée rouge et les Soviétiques (30 millions de morts) permettant ainsi l'ouverture du front ouest.
En ce qui concerne la guerre de 14, c'est essentiellement la France qui a mené la lutte sur le front occidental. Les États-Unis ne sont arrivés que très tardivement (fin 1917) à cause de leur impréparation. Cette carte : http://www.atlas-historique.net/cartographie/1914-1945/grand_format/FrontOuest1918BGF.gif te permettra de constater l'état des forces en présence en 1918.
LAA : « Britain developed the greatest multi continental formal empire the world has ever seen (...) »
Ça n'a pas duré très longtemps. D'autant que, sans empire colonial, l'Allemagne a très vite dépassé le Royaume-Uni.
LAA : « (...) the U.S. is the greatest power the world has ever seen, with one-third of the globe's industrial production, and over half of the globe's military might, with strategic informal control over nearly the entire world. »
Première puissance militaire, c'est sûr — encore que ce statut ne se traduise pas en terme de victoires militaires (Vietnam, Somalie, Iraq) ou diplomatiques (Liban, Palestine, Iran, Corée-du-Nord, Taïwan).
Pour ce qui est de la puissance économique, la Banque mondiale déclare l'Union européenne n° 1 en terme de PIB à parité de pouvoir d'achat (PPA). Il est vrai que les États-Unis suivent très près derrière.
En revanche, en terme de puissance commerciale, c'est l'Union européenne, et de loin, qui est le centre mondial du commerce international (en particulier pour les exportations).
Cette carte : http://www.ladocumentationfrancaise.fr/cartotheque/IMG/jpg/MONDE-09-08.jpg montre la répartition de l'investissement direct étranger à travers la panète. L'Union européenne concentre massivement sur son territoire les sommes investies au niveau mondial.
Certainement pas si l'on se place au niveau de la qualité et non de la quantité.
Déjà, ce serait intéressant que tu définisses ce que tu entends par «pop culture». C'est télé + macdo ?
Ensuite, au niveau musical, désolé de te contredire mais la contribution des germanophones à la formation du répertoire classique écrase celle des Anglo-saxons dont l'impact est infinitésimal. Les seuls qui se puissent comparer aux germanophones sont les Italiens, les Français et autres nationalités européennes qu'il serait trop long d'énumérer ici.
Au niveau du cinéma, les États-Unis ont connu leur âge d'or il y a quelques décennies déjà. Aujourd'hui, c'est de la soupe à 90 %.
LAA : « Technology, finance, science, etc. - U.S. (anglophones) dominates again, along with Britain, although Germany also has many achievements in this area. »
Je pense que tu te trompes.
L'Italie de la renaissance avait pratiquement tout inventé en matière financière. Le reste n'est que perfectionnement dû à la mondialisation débutée en 1492.
Au niveau scientifique, les anglophones sont très loin de dominer. Par exemple la conquête spatiale (initiée et réussie dès le départ par les Soviétiques) est, pour les États-Unis, issue d'un cerveau germanophone : celui de von Braun.
LAA : « Martial Prowess/historical geo-political influence, etc. - Anglophones win by a long shot. Britain and the U.S. defeated Germany and her allies in both World Wars. »
Ça se saurait si le Royaume-Uni avait vaincu l'Allemagne hitlérienne ! Non, ceux qui ont réellement permis l'anéantissement de l'armée nazie ce sont l'Armée rouge et les Soviétiques (30 millions de morts) permettant ainsi l'ouverture du front ouest.
En ce qui concerne la guerre de 14, c'est essentiellement la France qui a mené la lutte sur le front occidental. Les États-Unis ne sont arrivés que très tardivement (fin 1917) à cause de leur impréparation. Cette carte : http://www.atlas-historique.net/cartographie/1914-1945/grand_format/FrontOuest1918BGF.gif te permettra de constater l'état des forces en présence en 1918.
LAA : « Britain developed the greatest multi continental formal empire the world has ever seen (...) »
Ça n'a pas duré très longtemps. D'autant que, sans empire colonial, l'Allemagne a très vite dépassé le Royaume-Uni.
LAA : « (...) the U.S. is the greatest power the world has ever seen, with one-third of the globe's industrial production, and over half of the globe's military might, with strategic informal control over nearly the entire world. »
Première puissance militaire, c'est sûr — encore que ce statut ne se traduise pas en terme de victoires militaires (Vietnam, Somalie, Iraq) ou diplomatiques (Liban, Palestine, Iran, Corée-du-Nord, Taïwan).
Pour ce qui est de la puissance économique, la Banque mondiale déclare l'Union européenne n° 1 en terme de PIB à parité de pouvoir d'achat (PPA). Il est vrai que les États-Unis suivent très près derrière.
En revanche, en terme de puissance commerciale, c'est l'Union européenne, et de loin, qui est le centre mondial du commerce international (en particulier pour les exportations).
Cette carte : http://www.ladocumentationfrancaise.fr/cartotheque/IMG/jpg/MONDE-09-08.jpg montre la répartition de l'investissement direct étranger à travers la panète. L'Union européenne concentre massivement sur son territoire les sommes investies au niveau mondial.
ERRATUM : « (...) ce sont l'Armée rouge et les Soviétiques (*20* millions de morts) (...) ».
<<Je pense que tu te trompes.
L'Italie de la renaissance avait pratiquement tout inventé en matière financière. Le reste n'est que perfectionnement dû à la mondialisation débutée en 1492.
Au niveau scientifique, les anglophones sont très loin de dominer. Par exemple la conquête spatiale (initiée et réussie dès le départ par les Soviétiques) est, pour les États-Unis, issue d'un cerveau germanophone : celui de von Braun. >>
Mankind has achieved, discovered, innovated, created, infinitely more than ever before, than all of the centuries combined, in the last 100 years, or more precisely, the last 50 years. The U.S. has dominated this era in history. The U.S. is the epicenter of knowledge. There is a reason learned individuals, scholars, mathematicians and scientists flock to the U.S. and its universities in such great numbers every year! The U.S. has the most dynamic economy in the western world, mainly due to the fact that we as a nation, invest large sums into R&D, brought about by huge sums of financial resources in the private sector available for investment. The U.S. is the world's investment hot spot. This is where most technological innovation takes place! Europe and Japan send all their surplus savings to the U.S. for a reason! As for spacial achievements, don't get me started. The Soviet Union never surpassed the U.S., aside from the beginning, when it launched sputnik. The U.S. was the first to land on the moon, the U.S. was the first to develop the nuclear bomb. And the U.S. has military technology which is two generations ahead of anything else which Europe can produce.
<<Ça se saurait si le Royaume-Uni avait vaincu l'Allemagne hitlérienne ! Non, ceux qui ont réellement permis l'anéantissement de l'armée nazie ce sont l'Armée rouge et les Soviétiques (30 millions de morts) permettant ainsi l'ouverture du front ouest.
En ce qui concerne la guerre de 14, c'est essentiellement la France qui a mené la lutte sur le front occidental. Les États-Unis ne sont arrivés que très tardivement (fin 1917) à cause de leur impréparation. Cette carte : http://www.atlas-historique.net/cartographie/1914-1945/grand_format/FrontOuest1918BGF.gif te permettra de constater l'état des forces en présence en 1918.>>
I don't claim that the United States was responsible for victory in WWI. But they did play a key role. Germany and France/Britain were at a standstill in trench warfare, (still in the interior of FRANCE) in 1917. With the arrival of fresh reinforcements from the U.S. numbering in the hundreds of thousands, the tide turned, and we were finally able to get past the deadlock. And to begin with, France never would have lasted more than a year or two if it hadn't been for British support. The Brits were there in great numbers throughout the war. Who do you think fought the entire naval war against the Kaiser? The French were greatly outnumbered by the Germans, and let's face it, France was not nearly as industrially developed as Germany, with Germany's war machine producing much more than the French could muster. But with the support of the British, France was no longer outnumbered, or if they were at times, only by a small number. At the beginning of the war, the Germans almost marched on Paris, and the French were only saved by an idiotic blunder on the part of the German command. At that point, once the momentum was lost, Germany, along with France, with help from the British, dug into trenches, and remained at a standstill for years, while on French soil (notice, that still means that Germany was on the offensive).
As for WWII! The Soviets wouldn't have made it past a year after Hitler's invasion had it not been for U.S. economic aid. The U.S. was supplying the Soviet army with ammunition, weapons, food, and money. Britain, meanwhile, survived the bombardment of her country, and was prepared to fight Hitler on her own, because the great French surrendered in less than a month of combat. So she carried on the air war against Britain, by herself, until the U.S. entered the war. By that time, because of U.S. economic aid, the eastern front had become a war of attrition, with time on the side of the Russians, while the Russians slowly wore down two thirds of Hitler's army. Meanwhile in the West, the U.S., Britain (which includes all of the Anglophone world, because of the commonwealth), launched massive invasions in Western Europe, and begin slowly penetrating the Nazi line, until they reached Germany, liberating France along the way. Eventually, Germany was chocked in all sides, and surrendered to allied forces, with both the Soviet Union, and the U.S. and Britain playing major roles in their final defeat. Where was France in all of this? Oh, that's right. They surrendered near the beginning of the war!
<<Ça n'a pas duré très longtemps. D'autant que, sans empire colonial, l'Allemagne a très vite dépassé le Royaume-Uni. >>
No matter. History will always remember Britain as the foremost power of the 19th and early 20th century, with the greatest colonial empire the world had ever seen. Sure, Germany and Napoleon's France achieved a moment in the spotlight, but it was just that, a moment. The point is, Britiain eventually overcame them, and retained her spot on top. Napoleon's France and Hitler's Germany challenged Britain's supremacy on the continent, for a matter of a few years, but after their regimes, the challenge was no more. Britain remained for over a century.
<<Première puissance militaire, c'est sûr — encore que ce statut ne se traduise pas en terme de victoires militaires (Vietnam, Somalie, Iraq) ou diplomatiques (Liban, Palestine, Iran, Corée-du-Nord, Taïwan).
Pour ce qui est de la puissance économique, la Banque mondiale déclare l'Union européenne n° 1 en terme de PIB à parité de pouvoir d'achat (PPA). Il est vrai que les États-Unis suivent très près derrière.
En revanche, en terme de puissance commerciale, c'est l'Union européenne, et de loin, qui est le centre mondial du commerce international (en particulier pour les exportations).
Cette carte : http://www.ladocumentationfrancaise.fr/cartotheque/IMG/jpg/MONDE-09-08.jpg montre la répartition de l'investissement direct étranger à travers la panète. L'Union européenne concentre massivement sur son territoire les sommes investies au niveau mondial. >>
You have just displayed a fundemental ignorance of how the global economy works, so that this would be a subject for a different discussion, in a different forum.
L'Italie de la renaissance avait pratiquement tout inventé en matière financière. Le reste n'est que perfectionnement dû à la mondialisation débutée en 1492.
Au niveau scientifique, les anglophones sont très loin de dominer. Par exemple la conquête spatiale (initiée et réussie dès le départ par les Soviétiques) est, pour les États-Unis, issue d'un cerveau germanophone : celui de von Braun. >>
Mankind has achieved, discovered, innovated, created, infinitely more than ever before, than all of the centuries combined, in the last 100 years, or more precisely, the last 50 years. The U.S. has dominated this era in history. The U.S. is the epicenter of knowledge. There is a reason learned individuals, scholars, mathematicians and scientists flock to the U.S. and its universities in such great numbers every year! The U.S. has the most dynamic economy in the western world, mainly due to the fact that we as a nation, invest large sums into R&D, brought about by huge sums of financial resources in the private sector available for investment. The U.S. is the world's investment hot spot. This is where most technological innovation takes place! Europe and Japan send all their surplus savings to the U.S. for a reason! As for spacial achievements, don't get me started. The Soviet Union never surpassed the U.S., aside from the beginning, when it launched sputnik. The U.S. was the first to land on the moon, the U.S. was the first to develop the nuclear bomb. And the U.S. has military technology which is two generations ahead of anything else which Europe can produce.
<<Ça se saurait si le Royaume-Uni avait vaincu l'Allemagne hitlérienne ! Non, ceux qui ont réellement permis l'anéantissement de l'armée nazie ce sont l'Armée rouge et les Soviétiques (30 millions de morts) permettant ainsi l'ouverture du front ouest.
En ce qui concerne la guerre de 14, c'est essentiellement la France qui a mené la lutte sur le front occidental. Les États-Unis ne sont arrivés que très tardivement (fin 1917) à cause de leur impréparation. Cette carte : http://www.atlas-historique.net/cartographie/1914-1945/grand_format/FrontOuest1918BGF.gif te permettra de constater l'état des forces en présence en 1918.>>
I don't claim that the United States was responsible for victory in WWI. But they did play a key role. Germany and France/Britain were at a standstill in trench warfare, (still in the interior of FRANCE) in 1917. With the arrival of fresh reinforcements from the U.S. numbering in the hundreds of thousands, the tide turned, and we were finally able to get past the deadlock. And to begin with, France never would have lasted more than a year or two if it hadn't been for British support. The Brits were there in great numbers throughout the war. Who do you think fought the entire naval war against the Kaiser? The French were greatly outnumbered by the Germans, and let's face it, France was not nearly as industrially developed as Germany, with Germany's war machine producing much more than the French could muster. But with the support of the British, France was no longer outnumbered, or if they were at times, only by a small number. At the beginning of the war, the Germans almost marched on Paris, and the French were only saved by an idiotic blunder on the part of the German command. At that point, once the momentum was lost, Germany, along with France, with help from the British, dug into trenches, and remained at a standstill for years, while on French soil (notice, that still means that Germany was on the offensive).
As for WWII! The Soviets wouldn't have made it past a year after Hitler's invasion had it not been for U.S. economic aid. The U.S. was supplying the Soviet army with ammunition, weapons, food, and money. Britain, meanwhile, survived the bombardment of her country, and was prepared to fight Hitler on her own, because the great French surrendered in less than a month of combat. So she carried on the air war against Britain, by herself, until the U.S. entered the war. By that time, because of U.S. economic aid, the eastern front had become a war of attrition, with time on the side of the Russians, while the Russians slowly wore down two thirds of Hitler's army. Meanwhile in the West, the U.S., Britain (which includes all of the Anglophone world, because of the commonwealth), launched massive invasions in Western Europe, and begin slowly penetrating the Nazi line, until they reached Germany, liberating France along the way. Eventually, Germany was chocked in all sides, and surrendered to allied forces, with both the Soviet Union, and the U.S. and Britain playing major roles in their final defeat. Where was France in all of this? Oh, that's right. They surrendered near the beginning of the war!
<<Ça n'a pas duré très longtemps. D'autant que, sans empire colonial, l'Allemagne a très vite dépassé le Royaume-Uni. >>
No matter. History will always remember Britain as the foremost power of the 19th and early 20th century, with the greatest colonial empire the world had ever seen. Sure, Germany and Napoleon's France achieved a moment in the spotlight, but it was just that, a moment. The point is, Britiain eventually overcame them, and retained her spot on top. Napoleon's France and Hitler's Germany challenged Britain's supremacy on the continent, for a matter of a few years, but after their regimes, the challenge was no more. Britain remained for over a century.
<<Première puissance militaire, c'est sûr — encore que ce statut ne se traduise pas en terme de victoires militaires (Vietnam, Somalie, Iraq) ou diplomatiques (Liban, Palestine, Iran, Corée-du-Nord, Taïwan).
Pour ce qui est de la puissance économique, la Banque mondiale déclare l'Union européenne n° 1 en terme de PIB à parité de pouvoir d'achat (PPA). Il est vrai que les États-Unis suivent très près derrière.
En revanche, en terme de puissance commerciale, c'est l'Union européenne, et de loin, qui est le centre mondial du commerce international (en particulier pour les exportations).
Cette carte : http://www.ladocumentationfrancaise.fr/cartotheque/IMG/jpg/MONDE-09-08.jpg montre la répartition de l'investissement direct étranger à travers la panète. L'Union européenne concentre massivement sur son territoire les sommes investies au niveau mondial. >>
You have just displayed a fundemental ignorance of how the global economy works, so that this would be a subject for a different discussion, in a different forum.
Benjamin,
How did English evolve such a totally different sentence structure from her sister languages in the Germanic family? How is that even possible? Are other Germanic languages similarly disunited?
How did English evolve such a totally different sentence structure from her sister languages in the Germanic family? How is that even possible? Are other Germanic languages similarly disunited?
I'm pretty sure Norman French (the prestige it held then) had a lot to do with it, but I'll let someone more knowledgable about it explain.