The majority of Britons are descended from the Spanish.

Guest   Mon Oct 16, 2006 3:51 am GMT
Scientists have discovered the British are descended from a tribe of Spanish fishermen. DNA analysis has found the Celts — Britain's indigenous population — have an almost identical genetic "fingerprint" to a tribe of Iberians from the coastal regions of Spain who crossed the Bay of Biscay almost 6,000 years ago.

People of Celtic ancestry were thought to have descended from tribes of central Europe. But Bryan Sykes, professor of human genetics at Oxford University, said: "About 6,000 years ago Iberians developed ocean-going boats that enabled them to push up the Channel.

"Before they arrived, there were some human inhabitants of Britain, but only a few thousand. These people were later subsumed into a larger Celtic tribe... the majority of people in the British Isles are actually descended from the Spanish."

A team led by Professor Sykes — who is soon to publish the first DNA map of the British Isles — spent five years taking DNA samples from 10,000 volunteers in Britain and Ireland, in an effort to produce a map of our genetic roots.

The most common genetic fingerprint belongs to the Celtic clan, which Professor Sykes has called "Oisin". After that, the next most widespread originally belonged to tribes of Danish and Norse Vikings. Small numbers of today's Britons are also descended from north African, Middle Eastern and Roman clans.

These DNA fingerprints have enabled Professor Sykes to create the first genetic maps of the British Isles, which are analysed in his book Blood Of The Isles, published this week. The maps show that Celts are most dominant in Ireland, Scotland and Wales.

But the Celtic clan is also strongly represented elsewhere in the British Isles. "Although Celts have previously thought of themselves as being genetically different from the English, this is emphatically not the case," said Professor Sykes.

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Robin   Mon Oct 16, 2006 3:59 am GMT
<<<The majority of Britons are descended from the Spanish.>>>

This sentence while it might appear to be correct, is very misleading. If you look at a legal document in the UK, it will define very carefully the meaning of words. In this sentence, the meaning of the word 'Briton' has to be looked at carefully.

Briton: in this sentence, does not mean a modern inhabitant of the British Isles, whose parents may have come from Pakistan or Fiji.

So, right away, we start with something that is misleading. This sentence is in the words of the Moderator, a droll. A form of 'Flame' designed to stir things up, and provoke a discussion.
Guest   Mon Oct 16, 2006 5:12 am GMT

Damian in Ldn E16   Mon Oct 16, 2006 9:40 am GMT
Well, this explains my passion for tapas!
Adam   Mon Oct 16, 2006 6:11 pm GMT
So it's not only the English who are strangers to these islands. The Celts - whose ancestors came from Spain - are also strangers to these islands.

That should shut the Celts up now.
Briton   Mon Oct 16, 2006 10:05 pm GMT
Late breaking news! Actually the British are descended not from the Spanish, but rather from the Chinese.
Guest   Mon Oct 16, 2006 10:24 pm GMT
Them chinese wet-backs! I'd always expected that the BASQUE were descended from the Asiatics. Maybe, there is a link between the basque and british?
Damian in London E16   Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:27 pm GMT
I've actually heard someone say that the Welsh are strongly linked to the Basques. They both share the same cultural recognition situation, that's for sure, and the same sort of domestic terrain, but certainly not the same climate.
a.p.a.m.   Sat Oct 21, 2006 1:54 pm GMT
A high percentage of the British are descended from the British Isles original inhabitants, the Iberians. Don't confuse the Iberians with Spaniards, they're very different. The Iberians were an olive skinned, dark haired and dark eyed people who preceded the Celts in Western Europe by thousands of years. This probably explains why many residents of the British Isles, particularly the Welsh and Irish have dark features.
Adam   Sat Oct 21, 2006 6:18 pm GMT
I've heard some people say that the Anglo-Saxons were one of the Lost Tribes of Israel, which means that the English are the descendants of one of the Lost Tribes of Israel. Supposedly, one of the tribes left what is now Israel and travelled roughly North West to where Germany and Denmark now are. They stayed there for probably 1000 years or so then moved westards to the British Isles.
Adam   Sat Oct 21, 2006 6:19 pm GMT
"This probably explains why many residents of the British Isles, particularly the Welsh and Irish have dark features. "

I mentioned that - about the Welsh having quite dark features - over on the languages forum, but no-one believed me.

It is true about the Welsh being darker than the English.
Lazar   Sat Oct 21, 2006 6:22 pm GMT
This thread has absolutely nothing to do with the English language (or any other language for that matter), and it should be deleted.
Suzanne   Sat Oct 21, 2006 10:31 pm GMT
I enjoyed reading the comments on this thread.
greg   Sat Oct 21, 2006 11:42 pm GMT
Brennus : warum has du meine Meldungen unterdrückt und den Quatsch über "Abstammung" nicht moderiert ? Das ist ganz lächerlich — und traurig für Antimoon...
Peter   Sun Oct 29, 2006 4:40 am GMT
Here you have some more information on the origins of Britons. 21st century population genetics is making real surprising discoveries.

Here you have some other links:

Or this one:

See the legend: CEE = Central Europe East. CEW = Central Europe West. EE = Eastern Europe. IberiaS = Spain. IberiaP = Portugal. ItalyN = North of Italy. ItalyS = South of Italy. In the places where no South/North or East/West divide appears, it is because there were no significant differences among areas in the country or region.

See also this legend: Molecular (first row) = Different molecular DNA loci and frequency (second row) = Haplogroups. Av. = Average.

This study is from 2004 and has used up to 8 different genetic loci.

Of special interest are the similarities between the British Isles and Spain (IberiaS) and Portugal (IberiaP). Thousands of samples were taken from all over Spain and the British Isles, and also from the rest of Europe, North Africa and the Middle East, especially the areas in Anatolia (Turkey) and Irak.

In any case let us not forget the two latest books published bout the origins of Britons: Blood of the Isles, by Brian Sykes, and Origins of Britons, by Stephen Oppenheimer. They both come to the same conclusion: Most Britons come from Spain, Iberia or whatever we want to call it.