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M56   Tue Dec 19, 2006 10:23 pm GMT
And what do you think that little word "present" means in "present perfect"?
12EO   Tue Dec 19, 2006 10:30 pm GMT
"So, imagine you're in a teaching context, say in a secondary school, and the student asks you whether the present perfect is a present tense/aspect, a past tense/aspect or not a tense or aspect at all, what would you reply?"

Well, that would depend on me accepting an arbitrary batch of grammatical categories for English verb inflections as authoritative.
12EI   Tue Dec 19, 2006 10:32 pm GMT
"And what do you think that little word 'present' means in 'present perfect'?"

That's pecisely the problem with the terminology.
12ER   Tue Dec 19, 2006 10:33 pm GMT
Typo alert!

That should be "precisely."
look I´m a guest too   Tue Dec 19, 2006 10:35 pm GMT
Why do you think the speak says it?

HAHAHAHAHA

What does this mean?

Idiot
M56   Tue Dec 19, 2006 10:35 pm GMT
<That's pecisely the problem with the terminology. >

Apart from that, why do you think its there? Why is "present" in "present perfect", and what's your name for that construction if you don't use "present perfect"?
Pos   Tue Dec 19, 2006 10:38 pm GMT
<What does this mean?

Idiot >

Maybe, but are you clever enough to answer the question?
12VO   Tue Dec 19, 2006 10:48 pm GMT
"Apart from that, why do you think its there?"

It represents an attempt to hammer English verb concepts into Latin ones.

"Why is 'present' in 'present perfect', and what's your name for that construction if you don't use 'present perfect'?"

Oh I don't know, how about "have+past participle construction"?
M56   Tue Dec 19, 2006 10:50 pm GMT
<Oh I don't know, how about "have+past participle construction"? >

Fine, it may catch on, but is it a past tense?
12VL   Tue Dec 19, 2006 10:58 pm GMT
Yes, of course it is.
look I´m a guest too   Tue Dec 19, 2006 11:02 pm GMT
Right Pos you ask ed for it.

"The atomic bomb has provided a clear deterrent for big nations."

This is set in a form that would be more menacing as if a it was a threat or rather a strict fact.


"Atomic bombs have provided a clear deterrent for big nations."

This would be a soft fact as if you could deal with it (and we do don´t we)

In other words it is a way of calling attention to this fact in the first case and in the second case would be an example of a accepted situation.

What ever the tense, it does give a very different feeling for the phrases even though they do mean basicly the same thing.

I hope I set you straight. It still dosen´t change the fact that guest is an idiot