At what point did Ireland become English?

Robin   Sun Dec 24, 2006 8:54 am GMT
The easy answer is that Ireland did not become English, but it became part of Great Britain.

Famous people from Ireland, in Irish Literature etc. for a long time were regarded as being 'British' as opposed to being Irish. Which partly explains why people think that it is British culture, rather than the culture of English speaking peoples.

But at some point Ireland must have become English speaking?

"By this time, (1261), most of Ireland was ruled by Anglo-French lords with the exception of the north, the midlands and several areas of the west coast."

http://www.wesleyjohnston.com/users/ireland/past/history/summary5.htm

"Administration of Ireland evolved slowly, and it became a Kingdom in 1199 with Papal approval and all English laws were extended to Ireland in 1210."

King Henry 2nd of England in 1166

"King Henry met Mac Murchada, but was reluctant to help him. He had just become King, and his hold over England was still weak and he did not wish to start an expensive war. Nevertheless, he had been given permission by the Pope shortly before to claim Ireland as part of his kingdom in order to reform the Church."

1014

"Nevertheless, the power of the Vikings was broken for good at Clontarf, and the future of Dubhlinn was now definitely in Irish hands."

"From its golden era before the Vikings, the Christian Church in Ireland had slowly been secularised and, in many ways, corrupted."

"The Archbishop of Canterbury in England wanted to assert control over the Irish church, and set about establishing links with the church in the influential former Viking city of Dublin. However, when the Irish church was reformed, over the course of three synods at Cashel (1101), RĂ¡th Breasail (1111) and Kells-Mellifont (1152), ..."

"A triumph because the church was now much less corrupt, but a disaster because it destroyed the basis of Irish learning, poetry and script."

"Only under the leadership of Alfred the Great, King of Wessex, did the English manage to stop the advance of the Vikings. It was Alfred who persuaded the individual kingdoms to unite and, in 927, his grandson Aethelstan was crowned "King of all the English" in the city of London, essentially England's first 'High King'. This was the foundation of the Kingdom of England. Over the next 150 years, the two regions merged to form a more coherent Anglo-Norse England, ruled mostly by Danish Kings."


1066 King William 1st of England, although he is better known as William the Conqueror.

"Bordered to the north by the newly-united kingdom of Scotland, the King of England instead penetrated into Celtic Wales and, though inter-marriage and other means, controlled half of France by the mid 1100s. It is no surprise, therefore, that when the opportunity arose to spread his royal rule across the sea to Ireland, the English king took it."
Bemused Irish Guy   Sun Dec 24, 2006 8:03 pm GMT
If you're really interested research the Penal Laws and Brehon Laws.
http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/famine/before.htm

"Penal Laws stripped Irish Catholics of their rights ..........hold any government office, vote, buy land, practice law, attend school, serve an apprenticeship, possess weapons, and practice their religion. The Catholic Church was outlawed. The Gaelic language was banned. Export trade was forbidden as Irish commerce and industry were deliberately destroyed."
Guest   Mon Dec 25, 2006 10:30 pm GMT
The majority of Americans actually think that the whole of Britain is England, thus including Wales and Scotland as part of England.
User   Mon Dec 25, 2006 11:18 pm GMT
>> The majority of Americans actually think that the whole of Britain is England, thus including Wales and Scotland as part of England. <<

Actually, many Americans really don't know where Scottland is at all. The big island is England (which is the same as Britain), the little island is Ireland, and Scotland is part of Germany? or doesn't even exist geographically. Actually, to tell you the truth, a lot of Americans couldn't even find either island on a map--it's even harder if it's not written on the map.
JakubikF   Wed Dec 27, 2006 11:16 am GMT
>>Actually, many Americans really don't know where Scottland is at all. The big island is England (which is the same as Britain), the little island is Ireland, and Scotland is part of Germany? or doesn't even exist geographically. Actually, to tell you the truth, a lot of Americans couldn't even find either island on a map--it's even harder if it's not written on the map. <<

It's unbelievable. So many uneducated people live in USA and this country is still one of the great superpower on the world...